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Offline Codsticker

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ECW Command Stands
« on: January 19, 2020, 11:31:40 PM »
For our campaign this year I will be using dedicated command stands wherever possible, ie not a generic Royalist commander but specific command stands for specific commanders. I started with Hopton:


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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 11:42:23 PM »
Lovely  8)

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 06:45:24 AM »
That's one very well conceived and executed piece  :-*

Good sense of drama  8)

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 11:03:52 AM »
Superb painting. As an ex-member of the Lord Hopton's Regiment, I fully support your choice of Commander!


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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 02:42:37 PM »
Very nice indeed
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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 03:44:41 PM »
Thank you guys. :)

Offline Arthur

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2020, 04:19:46 PM »
The Warlord figures can be a bit hit and miss in terms of quality but you've done an excellent job on those. 

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2020, 07:07:38 PM »
Nice work!

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2020, 10:37:17 PM »
Hopton's personal standard was a cavalry cornet rather than one of the company colours carried by his regiment of foot.

His regiment of horse also had red colours but I think his personal cornet was red with a pair of crossed cannons.

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2020, 11:37:04 PM »
Hopton's personal standard was a cavalry cornet rather than one of the company colours carried by his regiment of foot.

His regiment of horse also had red colours but I think his personal cornet was red with a pair of crossed cannons.
That is good to know- where did you find that info? Did the cavalry cornet also have crossed cannons?

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2020, 08:26:15 AM »
In no way consider this a criticism of your excellent painting, but it may help.

Timmo is right about the Second Captain's colours you have painted. Two stars indicates the 2nd Captain's Company. One of Hopton's colours was captured at the Battle of Torrington and it had written (I assume painted rather than sewn) on it "I Will Strive To Serve My Sovereign King".

During my time as Lieutenant-Colonel of Hopton's in the ECWS this was the colour we used for Hopton's standard.

This colour is mentioned in The Old Service: Royalist Regimental Colonels and the Civil War, 1642-46 by P. R. Newman.

Also, this may help from Historical Collections of Private Passages of State, Volume 6 by John Rushworth.

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 03:40:36 PM »
Timmo is right about the Second Captain's colours you have painted. Two stars indicates the 2nd Captain's Company.
That I understanmd- I figured I would add an ensign to the stand to add a bit of flair.
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One of Hopton's colours was captured at the Battle of Torrington and it had written (I assume painted rather than sewn) on it "I Will Strive To Serve My Sovereign King".
Would this have been on a red flag as well? I imagine we don't really know...

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2020, 04:12:28 PM »
That's a very nice job.

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 05:07:36 PM »
My comment in no way detracts from the fabulous painting. Generally during the period personal colours were cornets. An officer of Hopton's standing would typically have both horse and foot regiments and often a lifeguard of horse, about a troop strong. All of these units would have their own flags. The lifeguard may have carried the personal standard or that may have stayed with the officer to mark their position.

The ECW Wiki pages have a lot of information. Hopton's red colour with crossed cannon barrels came from a time when he was in command of the artillery train of the Oxford army. I've a feeling I may have first read this description in Haythornthwaite of the Mil Mod articles Anthony barton illustrated.

Another source for details that might have been found on personal colours would be the family heraldry. For example, Waller's own cornet is well known. I guess with patchy information at best if you wanted to have personal colours to mount with the officer figures then without any other reference to use I'd research the family heraldry.

I read recently that the banners tied to cavalry trumpets were more usually of appropriate heraldic origin rather than mimicking the regimental cornets.

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Re: ECW Command Stands
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2020, 01:52:44 AM »

Another source for details that might have been found on personal colours would be the family heraldry. For example, Waller's own cornet is well known. I guess with patchy information at best if you wanted to have personal colours to mount with the officer figures then without any other reference to use I'd research the family heraldry.
That's a good tip, thank you.

Edit: 5 minutes of searching found me this:
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