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Author Topic: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.  (Read 11613 times)

Offline AlyMorrison

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Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« on: January 20, 2020, 07:49:49 AM »
Greetings...

Quite some time ago I started a 3rd Century Roman force with the intention of using it ... and of course an enemy... for games with Hail Caesar...
The project stalled mainly because I didn’t relish painting all the toys that I would need...

However I recently came across the I live with cats blog...
http://ilivewithcats.blogspot.com/

Where I found some excellent lists and rules to use Lion Rampant for playing games with Late Romans...
I have now rebased my Romans and I am starting on some Sassanids.

Hopefully this won’t all take to long and I will at last be able to play with my toys...

There is as always a bit more on the blog...
http://alystoysoldiers.blogspot.com/

All the best.  Aly

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Offline NurgleHH

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 09:58:33 AM »
Great to hear something from you. Romans are not the worst thing to do. A mass army I always fought against with my germanic hordes. The start is very nice to watch. Do you use the skirmish variant of hail cesar first???
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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 11:37:48 AM »
Great thread and some lovely brushwork.

Coincidentally I have just purchased the beginnings of a small Roman force from A & A (Steve is a great guy to deal with).

I'll follow this thread with great interest.
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Offline bluewillow

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 01:18:18 PM »
Looking forward to your project Aly.

A and A and Aventine are the best figures fit sassanids IMHO.

Cheers
Matt
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Offline AlyMorrison

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2020, 12:08:42 PM »
Thank you for your kind comments...

Dirk... I will probably give all the availability skirmish rules a go... but I intend to start with Lion Rampant.


All the best.   Aly
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Offline Arrigo

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2020, 10:25:02 AM »
Interestingly enough, I had a run at Severian Romans vs Sassanids with the Lion Rampant modification just before Christmas. It was disappointing. Basically the Sassanians are overpowered, especially the Aswaran, while Roman infantry looked ineffective. I admit my opponent (the Sassanian commander) was a tad too lucky with her rolls, but she was also disappointed with the whole experience. Shooting is too effective, as heavy cavalry charges on heavy formed and disciplined infantry. Probably this is a legacy of being a medieval rule set.  We also found constantly rolling bucket of dices tedious.  I am planning to gave a try to 100 points ADLG that has similar figure count and promises to be a much more enjoyable experience.
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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2020, 04:33:27 PM »
Quote from: AlyMorrison on January 26, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
Dirk... I will probably give all the availability skirmish rules a go... but I intend to start with Lion Rampant.
I played a Lion Rampant Derivative (for the mexican 1860 time) at BLAM and was suprised. Had two brilliant master with the welsh friends Keith and Jeff (965), which drove us through the game. So I think a good choice for the beginning. Hope for a AAR...
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Offline AlyMorrison

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 01:48:37 PM »
Arrigo... I cant see where it could be tricky getting balance right with the strength of the Sassanid cavalry and the Roman Legionaries for that matter... but its worth a try I think.

Dirk... I have enjoyed all the Rampant variant games I have had so I will certainly be giving it a go...

All the best   Aly
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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2020, 02:47:13 PM »
Aly,

after the game, me and my opponent (who BTW took Phil Sabin ancient warfare module at KCL a couple of years ago so she was not green...) commented that the basic problem was that anything mounted felt more powerful than heavy infantry. On top of that pilum is almost ineffective. She, after having trounced me so it is not loser complaints, felt the Aswaran/Savaran being overpowered with excellent bow and melee (she has an unit of Savaran with Kontos and she felt she did not need anything else. Even the light horse archers had no issues in dealing with their opponent. 

My commments were on the line it was just the medieval version with other names. If you read the blog it is basically what the author did. I can accept it for the dark age (and the more I am reading about it... the less I think the Dark Age was that dark or that medieval...), but I feel the balance between infantry and cavalry and their weapons for the ancient world is wrong.  I think that while Rampant could be used as the skeleton for a small unit ancient game, it needs more work rather than just name slapping. I would also say that I prefer Pikeman Lament and Patriot and Rebels with Michael Leck contribution to the Vanilla Lion Rampant.

In the end I think SPQR was more enjoyable than Crepusculum Imperii. Next outing int the 3rd Century will be another run with ADLG at 100 points (that ends up having very similar figure count)....

Just my experience so just my two eurocents.
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Offline AlyMorrison

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2020, 02:57:08 PM »
Greetings...
Thank you for your comments Arrigo...
I think Lion Rampant will be a starting point especially as I am familiar with the system... I like the look of SPQR so i will no doubt give that a go...

I have added a couple of more units to this project...

http://alystoysoldiers.blogspot.com/2020/03/lion-rampant-sassanid-light-cavalry.html

http://alystoysoldiers.blogspot.com/2020/03/lion-rampant-roman-infantry.html

All the best   Aly

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2020, 03:12:33 PM »
ooo, them's nice  :D
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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2020, 09:27:05 PM »
Lovely looking units Aly. Hope all is well with you and yours.

Best regards,

Helen
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Offline AlyMorrison

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2020, 09:38:53 PM »
Thank you James...
Thank you Helen... I am now working from home...
And getting down to some social distancing... Which of course means... Painting toy soldiers... :D

All the best   Aly
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Offline FierceKitty

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2020, 01:24:59 AM »
My late Romans have a heck of a hard time against Persians.
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Offline pallard

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Re: Aly’s 3rd Century Rome project.
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2020, 10:36:34 AM »
I recently downloaded Comitatus and must say that these rules appear more than adequate for your project. I'm always wondering why today gamers would rather distort contemporary WW2 rules into Ancient period than search in our very rich past publications offer just fit for the periods and models we want to play! We have gone into Dark Ages really.
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