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Author Topic: Operation Jubilee - Dieppe Raid and Churchills Now with Dingo!  (Read 29798 times)

Offline tin shed gamer

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2020, 11:31:46 AM »
Have you tried blueprints.com ?
The specialise in plans for adaptation into 3d prints.

I'm not that familiar with the different mk's of Churchill. I think this might be useful as I think it's the 2pndr weapon system.

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2020, 11:50:29 AM »
Perfect! That was what I've been looking for!  Thanks!

the Blueprints is both awsome and terrible at the same time... it promises so much but some of the 'blueprints' are dog-poo quality scans from model kit instructions... however many are very handy 'proper drawings'.  There are a load of russian sourced drawings which are amazingly detailed with cutaways and expanded detaield sections hidden in the trash. 

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2020, 12:08:05 PM »
OK things are getting out of hand already....

So the infantry force - Commanods or Canadians.
I've got commandos and one of the two commando raids was the only bit of the raid that worked
Problem is they had no support so it's commandos, commando HQ, commando AT Rifle, commando 2" mortar, commando sniper... and gammon bombs.  No tanks, no arty, nothing.  Going to be a tough force to use!

Canadians were a straight forward infantry: Thompsons, SMLE and Brens, 2" mortars, AT Rifles but they at least can haev armoured support. (Churchill I/II/III)

Armour
Churchills I/II/III with Oke, Wading,Bobbins.
Universal carrier for my arty observer (already got one in the works with a wading kit)
Dingo (awful in Bolt Action but I'll probably draw one anyway...)
Tehre were also the recovery tractors - M1 Heavy Tractors which never landed but were at least in context.

So from a standing start I'm drawing 3 marks of churchill, a dingo which I don't want and an M1 tractor, plus building an entire force of infantry from scratch...

Display board I was thinking a shingle beach and a sea wall... :'( or is that bad taste?

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2020, 12:53:24 PM »
But Dingos are funky, and if you do Canadians then they are reusable as pretty much any Late War Commonwealth infantry, provided you don't subscribe to the Canadian uniform being slightly more greenish than the standard UK uniform brown.
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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2020, 01:09:06 PM »
Display board I was thinking a shingle beach and a sea wall... :'( or is that bad taste?
How is that bad taste?  I'd love to see how you model that, would be neat to make a game board of it.

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2020, 01:14:22 PM »
The sea wall was the cause of most of the casualties.  The infantry couldn't get off the beach and were cut down by enfilade fire from the cliffs and higher ground.



Obviously I'd not do the casualties.

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2020, 01:23:06 PM »
The sea wall was the cause of most of the casualties.  The infantry couldn't get off the beach and were cut down by enfilade fire from the cliffs and higher ground.

Obviously I'd not do the casualties.
Again, how is that bad taste?

No different than WWI boards with trenches, WW2 Stalingrad buildings, etc (they all were synonymous with death).

That is a fantastic picture (for board building reference), if you tackle that I'll be watching for hints.

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2020, 01:53:42 PM »
I wasn't sure...  but yes a very interesting project potentially.

It's Puys beach, Blue Beach for the landing.  No tanks on that beach but a bit of artistic licence could see a couple dropped off in support perhaps, or maybe jstu transport that bit of sea wall to Dieppe main beaches.

From Wiki:

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Trapped between the beach and high sea wall (fortified with barbed wire), they had made easy enfilade targets for MG34 machine guns in a German bunker. The bunker firing slit is visible in the distance, just above the German soldier's head.
The naval engagement between the small German convoy and the craft carrying No. 3 Commando had alerted the German defenders at Blue beach. The landing near Puys by the Royal Regiment of Canada plus three platoons from the Black Watch of Canada and an artillery detachment were tasked to neutralize machine gun and artillery batteries protecting this Dieppe beach. They were delayed by 20 minutes and the smoke screens that should have hidden their assault had already lifted. The advantages of surprise and darkness were thus lost, while the Germans had manned their defensive positions in preparation for the landings. The well-fortified German forces held the Canadian forces that did land on the beach. As soon as they reached the shore, the Canadians found themselves pinned against the seawall, unable to advance. The Royal Regiment of Canada was annihilated. Of the 556 men in the regiment, 200 were killed and 264 captured

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2020, 10:42:59 AM »
So is it a trip to B&Q for a polystyrene coving sea wall or are you going to torture yourself with a brickwall and an order for some Italian wallpaper?

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2020, 10:44:44 AM »
The sea wall was the cause of most of the casualties.  The infantry couldn't get off the beach and were cut down by enfilade fire from the cliffs and higher ground.



Obviously I'd not do the casualties.

What  a horrible image.

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2020, 11:13:45 AM »
What  a horrible image.

Indeed.  It was a horrific disaster in almost every respect.  Hence my reluctance to use it.

However, I also feel we shouldn't shy away from history.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2020, 11:15:29 AM by Rich H »

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2020, 11:17:42 AM »
So is it a trip to B&Q for a polystyrene coving sea wall or are you going to torture yourself with a brickwall and an order for some Italian wallpaper?

I think Ive got some suitable paper, plus some various things from the Morrisons health food aisle for beach shingle.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2020, 11:30:47 AM by Rich H »

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2020, 05:59:02 PM »
Churchill Mk1 and 2 almost complete.
Just a few bits left to do. Hopefully hit the printer tonight.

MK3 turret next.

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2020, 06:16:09 PM »
So is it a trip to B&Q for a polystyrene coving sea wall or are you going to torture yourself with a brickwall and an order for some Italian wallpaper?
Rich will 3d print it....

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Re: Looks like another accident - Churchills.
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2020, 11:34:48 PM »
lol probably not.  I'll use the laser cutter ;)

Churchill Marks 1 and 2 drawn.  Tracks are in the printer now.

Few tweaks still to do but not much.

Mark 3 turret next