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Offline Westbury

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #180 on: January 05, 2022, 12:36:45 PM »
What's wrong with this picture?

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #181 on: January 05, 2022, 12:45:29 PM »
So, 1st Corps elephant to the left and Victrix elephant to the right, allegedly both 28mm scale. I don't think so :o
This rather buggered up plan A of going Victrix.
Compare also the cavalry. These are the Victrix Companions, way too big when compared to their own elephants.
The 'plastic are cheaper' argument rather fell down with the elephants anyway, because if you buy the 1st Corps 'army pack' of 3 the price per piece is only marginally more than that of Victrix and they actually look like something that would scare the hell out of your cavalry - no matter how big the cavalry are  lol
Plastic pikes does however pass the  cheap as chips argument so cracking on with them. Yes we do know about flimsy pikes  :)

Offline has.been

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #182 on: January 05, 2022, 04:04:27 PM »
I wouldn't like even the small one standing on my foot
if I was a 28mm Successor.  :D :D :D

Offline SJWi

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #183 on: January 05, 2022, 05:04:10 PM »
Whilst I must admit I personally think the 1st Corps elephants are too large, according to Duncan Head's Macedonian and Punic Wars book we do see two species of elephants used in classical times.  North African  armies such as the Carthaginians and Numidians would use the smaller African bush elephant, and the Seleucids and Indians the larger Indian elephant. Thus it is wrong to use a common elephant model for all armies. 

Offline Easy E

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #184 on: January 05, 2022, 07:40:45 PM »
Whilst I must admit I personally think the 1st Corps elephants are too large, according to Duncan Head's Macedonian and Punic Wars book we do see two species of elephants used in classical times.  North African  armies such as the Carthaginians and Numidians would use the smaller African bush elephant, and the Seleucids and Indians the larger Indian elephant. Thus it is wrong to use a common elephant model for all armies.

I thought this as well. 

It really depends on where your Elephants have come from I guess. 
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Offline Westbury

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #185 on: January 05, 2022, 08:59:33 PM »
I hereby stand corrected  :)
I'll go with my 1st Corps as Indian and the Victrix as African.

Offline SJWi

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #186 on: January 05, 2022, 09:24:32 PM »
I still think the 1st Corps model is huge even by Indian Elephant standards! I can recommend the A&A Miniatures Carthaginian elephant as a very nice model and excellent value-for-money. 


Offline VonAkers

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #187 on: January 06, 2022, 02:14:14 AM »
Westbury
I would carefully reconsider the Victrix Option.

For a few reasons two reasons.
1 The PIKES , they are more than a bit fragile ..... lol lol lol lol lol
2 The  figures all require a Transfer ( nightmare to apply ) + cost , and they do look ( to my mind ) far to uniform and incorrect  to use.
Overall there is Probably only one reason to use them .. cost .. that it .
Cheers
 

Offline VonAkers

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #188 on: January 06, 2022, 09:18:22 AM »
Westbury
Ps Foundry have 25% off and free postage for large orders currently ... lol
Forgot to ask , how many units ?, and how many pike per unit? , also how deep ?
Im thinking of doing  6 x 60 figs , and 10 x 6  deep ( frontage 200mm )
Your thoughts ?

Offline GerryB21

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #189 on: January 06, 2022, 01:56:51 PM »
Which game system are they for ?

Offline Plynkes

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #190 on: January 06, 2022, 02:24:50 PM »
Been reading up about the wars of the Diadochi a bit lately. It's devilishly complicated, so many names to remember, and like bloody Game of Thrones with all the betrayals and side-changing, ignominious ends and such.

In the past I had generally skipped things after Alexander and gone straight on to Romans, but I think the decades after Alexander are endlessly fascinating, and very few of that lot around at the time come out of it looking well, to be honest. Would make a great TV show that all falls apart and turns to dogshit in the last couple of seasons, I think.





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Offline Easy E

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #191 on: January 06, 2022, 06:35:18 PM »
I have all Victrix pikeman and have never had a pike break after a decent amount of play.

Offline Jjonas

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #192 on: January 06, 2022, 06:53:10 PM »
What's wrong with this picture?

The 1st Corps elephants are not compatible with my 28mm figures.

Here it is next to a relatively medium sized Newline Designs sculpt (from link below*):

https://ancientbattles.com/seleucid_games/SyrianWars/3rd_scenario/raw/elephants_01.jpg

The largest older models were the Vendels which towered above the rest. They were first (and smart) to experiment with resin.
https://ancientbattles.com/Vendel_elephants/epirote_elephants_01.htm

Vendel miniatures were big and thick and might fit that 1st Corps beast. But I never ordered one to try.

Victrix so far has stubby fat African elephants, we will see what they do with Asians. I hope a bit trimmer and less flabby. Elephants have folds not flab.

link:
https://ancientbattles.com/seleucid_games/SyrianWars/syrian_campaign_04.htm
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Offline Westbury

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #193 on: January 07, 2022, 10:37:18 PM »
Plynkes. I've always thought the period could make a great TV show and in my reading of late am absolutely convinced of it  lol

Offline vodkafan

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Re: Thinking of starting Successors
« Reply #194 on: January 08, 2022, 12:14:27 AM »
Which game system are they for ?

Westbury is writing his own set, I believe the working title is "Spears Won Land". I was interested enough to commit myself to an army!
I am going to build a wargames army, a big beautiful wargames army, and Mexico is going to pay for it.

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