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Offline Golgotha

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Golgotha's Ancients
« on: August 19, 2020, 07:43:04 PM »
 Herewith, Ancient Egyptian chariots, miniatures mostly by Atlantic. 26 Egyptian chariots and 2 Hittite chariots. For most of my games I will be playing Egyptian civil war Upper versus Lower Egypt. This enables 13 chariots per side. 

See: http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=71









See more pictures available here: https://frictionbmcminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/golgothas-ancients-egyptian-chariots.html

Offline Corso

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2020, 08:00:47 PM »
Wonderful chariots! :-*

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2020, 08:02:16 PM »
A nice looking chariot corps there. I would use chariots where the crew do not have Egyptian head cloths as Canaanite vassals of your Hittites. Then you have the classic opponents of the Battle of Kadesh

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2020, 08:26:12 PM »
Nice job!
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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2020, 02:25:49 AM »
Thank you Fremitus, Corso and Adam - thank you for the Canaanite allies idea.

Herewith, some Ancient war elephants, admittedly more than one would necessarily want, at four packs worth, so 12 elephants, but picked them up cheaply on ebay. Miniatures by HaT, These are Carthaginian elephants but I will also use them for Successor Wars States, they are not as impressive as the Zvezda elephants, which I also have, but are more realistic in size. See: http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=573







More pictures available here: https://frictionbmcminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/golgothas-ancients-war-elephants.html
« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 02:28:12 AM by Golgotha »

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2020, 02:50:10 AM »
Details of this civil war? I haven't heard of this one....
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Offline wmyers

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2020, 03:01:22 AM »
I really like how you put 2 in the chariot.

As a kid I used to marvel at how well the box art images were painted of the Atlantic miniatures.

I tried so hard to get the hieroglyphics on the sarcophagus...

Then I found out years later they made them in 54mm scale (just never sold the 54mm ancients locally).

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2020, 06:55:38 PM »
Thank you FierceKitty - for any of the ancient Egyptian conflicts references are lacking even the battle of Qadesh (Kadesh) is scant in detail with both sides also claiming victory. Indeed, it is evident that the Egyptians would destroy records and that what information we have is not always reliable. For an Egyptian civil war I admit there is little evidence but a number of clashes did and must have taken place involving Egyptian and Egyptian styled forces on both sides - especially over such a long history and its often tumultuous dynastic changes. Especially as the likes of Hyksos and Nubians threatened and or took control.

It is accounts such as this “As ruler of Nubia and Upper Egypt, Piye took advantage of the squabbling of Egypt's rulers by expanding Nubia's power beyond Thebes into Lower Egypt. In reaction to this, Tefnakht of Sais formed a coalition between the local kings of the Delta Region and enticed Piye's nominal ally—king Nimlot of Hermopolis—to defect to his side. Tefnakht then sent his coalition army south and besieged Herakleopolis where its king Peftjauawybast and the local Nubian commanders appealed to Piye for help. Piye reacted quickly to this crisis in his regnal year 20 by assembling an army to invade Middle and Lower Egypt and visited Thebes in time for the great Opet Festival which proves he effectively controlled Upper Egypt by this time. His military feats are chronicled in the Victory stela at Gebel Barkal” See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piye#Conquest_of_Egypt
and then the vast number of known major conflicts not accounting regional squabbles and or skirmishing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Egypt

Also the Pharaoh often credited with introducing chariots on a large scale into the Egyptian military establishment is Kamose , indeed records show that he used them victoriously against the Hyksos, who were lording over the northern territories in his reign. See battle of Nefrusy. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariotry_in_ancient_Egypt

I have therefore read a number of things to lead me to this conclusion.

Thank you Wmyers -  I had the same experience as a child – this is why it has been wonderful finally getting to paint these up to a standard I could never achieve in my youth. I would imagine hieroglyphics on the sarcophagus would still be difficult, lol... Many of these miniatures I have had for near on when they were first introduced. Real classics for the ancient period.

Ancient Egyptian chariots had two crew members (Maryannu - young heroes) each often using bow and spear.

Herewith, some Ancient Sea Peoples, also known as Sherden (often associated with royal guard of the Pharaoh) and Philistines (biblical accounts in particular), ideal as both allies and enemies to my Ancient Egyptians, Hittites and Hebrews. Miniatures by HaT, see: http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=565

I would love to make a ship for them given the inspiring Osprey artwork and Egyptian hieroglyphics showing naval conflicts. See: https://ospreypublishing.com/sea-peoples-of-the-bronze-age-mediterranean-c-1400-bc-1000-bc

Ideal for battles like c. 1178 Egyptian-Sea People wars, c. 1178 BCE Battle of the Delta and c. 1178 BCE Battle of Djahy.









More pictures available here: https://frictionbmcminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/golgothas-ancients-sea-peoples.html
« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 07:19:08 PM by Golgotha »

Offline Golgotha

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2020, 12:07:28 PM »
Herewith, a Greek ship. I will be using this as a terrain piece. Miniatures are 15mm, Essex Miniatures, I think, which I had lying around. These were the only 15mm ancients miniatures I had but I wanted to do something with them. So why not make them a terrain piece, a ship... I can use it in the background of my 20mm 1/72nd scale Greek games. It is a paper model I found online, it is not great nor particularly well detailed but I am happy with the overall result. I have used it in one game already and we had it deploy troops which then arrived later in the game as reinforcements. It turned out to be a fun little build and refreshing too since I went into it with no particular expectations. The idea of more than one scale on the table at the same time also got me thinking that it might work to have different scales create a sense of depth on the wargame table so the foreground could be a 28mm skirmish game with then increasingly larger armies as one scales down across the table.





More pictures available here: https://frictionbmcminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/golgothas-ancients-greek-ship.html

Offline wmyers

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2020, 06:09:52 PM »
The ship looks just as good as anything I've seen made from laser cut mdf!  Better, perhaps.

There are various makers of 1/72 ancients ships and they are the same size as the Atlantic Greek ships.

The Egyptian ships seem harder to replicate and I never did get the Pharoah's Barge set ...

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2020, 07:43:12 PM »
 :o You have a Panzer Division and a Navy !
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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2020, 04:17:43 PM »
Beautiful!

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2020, 09:44:46 PM »
Fabulous stuff, some great looking pieces, love the chariots and the ship

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2020, 10:23:37 PM »
Thank you Bluewillow, Fluffy, Vodkafan,Wmyers - some stunning 1/72 ships are available but been avoiding going down that route due to limited time, money and space, I do wish I had the Egyptian barge set by Atlantic.

 Herewith, some Persians and Macedonians including Alexander the Great. Miniatures by Zvezda, see: http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=336 and http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=516.

The miniatures came in a box set wargame by Zvezda called Art of Battle, see: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/15205/battles-alexander-great. This box contains a rather incredible seven sets of miniatures. I have as yet not played the rules but will give them a bash, despite their obvious failings, one being the translation from Russian. I manged to pick this box up very cheap on ebay so could not resist.

37 Macedonian Phalanx
17 Macedonian Cavalry
45 Greek Infantry
42 Persian Infantry
16 Persian Cavalry and 2 Chariots
2 War Elephants - these in particular are very impressive.

These are still a work in progress, but are largely complete, still need to paint the Persian mounted but their horses are done. The spear/lance weapons are very fragile on these miniatures so I replaced them with brush bristles. Whilst then not as detailed they are more suitable for wargame purposes. I also removed the scythes from the chariot as accounts to what these would have looked like are sorely missing and they would certainly have used non scythed chariots as well. Given the size of the chariots I also decided on three crew members using the additional crew member from the infantry set - an archer. 

In particular I am happy with the way Alexander the Great came out, I have painted him largely inline with the Osprey artwork, though I painted his horse, Bucephalus (meaning ox head) black to match historical accounts.









More pictures available here: https://frictionbmcminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/golgothas-ancients-persians-and.html

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Re: Golgotha's Ancients
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2020, 09:10:57 PM »
Have completed more of the Persians. Update and more pictures available here: https://frictionbmcminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/




 

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