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Offline Paul @ Empress Miniatures

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #450 on: November 09, 2021, 08:37:30 AM »
Paul! Aren't you going to kick it about a bit first? lol lol lol

....and that  o_o

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #451 on: November 09, 2021, 02:17:19 PM »
Paul, I have had the opportunity to check with the MILAN design team in France. From what they tell me circa 1980 the British system would have been the original with just an optical sight. The first Infra-Red sight known as MIRA didn’t complete development until early 1982 with production production being placed April of that year. When it went into service with the UK is probably c1984.

 

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #452 on: November 09, 2021, 03:32:20 PM »
Paul, I have had the opportunity to check with the MILAN design team in France. From what they tell me circa 1980 the British system would have been the original with just an optical sight. The first Infra-Red sight known as MIRA didn’t complete development until early 1982 with production production being placed April of that year. When it went into service with the UK is probably c1984.

Many thanks for that.  :-*

We have actually found the thing we were looking for from information and pictures from a couple of operators of Brit MILAN in the early period. Its the location and look of the air bottles for the MIRA sight and their location. All sorted now.  ;)

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #453 on: November 09, 2021, 04:44:04 PM »
Paul, OK fine. I was thinking about your earlier comment that you were after information circa 1980. From what I know the IR sight wasn’t in service until the mid ‘80s.

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #454 on: November 09, 2021, 07:15:52 PM »
Paul, OK fine. I was thinking about your earlier comment that you were after information circa 1980. From what I know the IR sight wasn’t in service until the mid ‘80s.

Yes I take your point.

I thought they were using MIRA in the Falklands but may need to check that. ;)

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #455 on: November 09, 2021, 08:49:57 PM »
Paul, 99.99% certain MIRA wasn't used in the Falklands as it hadn't completed development . Whether the army lashed up an IR sight under a UOR as with other capabilities is an interesting question...

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #457 on: November 10, 2021, 12:34:36 AM »
There's no question that Milan was used in the Falklands, it's well documented, the question is whether the thermal sighting unit (MIRA) was in service. Milan had a standard optical sighting unit and photos of Milan in the Falklands show it sans MIRA.

My 1982 edition of  Terry Gandler's Encyclopedia of The Modern British Army notes that the MIRA sight is currently under development, so mid 'eighties is more likely.

It's a obscured but if you look closely at this video of Princess Diana visiting the 1/Royal Hampshires in Berlin in late 1985 you can see a Milan at around 5.32. No MIRA sight fitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pDHKXjfohw
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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #458 on: November 10, 2021, 05:24:00 AM »
As has already been pointed out MILAN was definitely used in the Falklands. From what I have read it was used as a "bunker buster"! I have seen photos plus some specially commissioned paintings that show it without MIRA or any other IR sight. 

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #459 on: November 10, 2021, 07:23:04 AM »
I agree guys no MIRA until mid 1980's.

The standard sight must have been pretty good as the paras were using them in night battles.

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #460 on: November 10, 2021, 08:40:42 AM »
As has already been pointed out MILAN was definitely used in the Falklands. From what I have read it was used as a "bunker buster"! I have seen photos plus some specially commissioned paintings that show it without MIRA or any other IR sight.

Those painting are what got me thinking, as well as your information. ;)

We may do the MILAN packs with both sights as an option.

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #461 on: November 10, 2021, 09:14:04 AM »
As has already been pointed out MILAN was definitely used in the Falklands. From what I have read it was used as a "bunker buster"! I have seen photos plus some specially commissioned paintings that show it without MIRA or any other IR sight.

Also used to engage Argentine AA guns at Goose Green.

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #462 on: November 10, 2021, 01:52:07 PM »
Also used to engage Argentine AA guns at Goose Green.

Also used to engage a walrus on South Georgia. (allegedly.)

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War: MILAN QUESTION.
« Reply #463 on: November 10, 2021, 02:33:12 PM »
With a little recycling It's also possible to hide an artificial Christmas tree you found in one. Just incase anyone else wishes to re-fined it. :D

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Re: [COMMERCIAL] Empress Miniatures Cold War Range.
« Reply #464 on: November 17, 2021, 03:31:09 PM »
This film is brilliant. Its a wargame in its own right although some of the cliché's are good for a giggle.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYTM_PJ4rY

 

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