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Offline Dining Room Battles

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Russian Regimental Flags
« on: November 26, 2020, 03:54:48 AM »
This may be the wrong board but I am looking for images of Russian Regimental Flags for the Russo-Japanese War.

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2020, 02:10:42 PM »
During this period (and until the withdrawal of Russia from the First World War, and in many regiments of the White Army - and until the end of the Civil War), the banners of two samples were mainly used in the Russian army: 1883 and 1900. Many "old" military units could have received banners much earlier (the military banner of a unit was formally issued forever), but as these old banners deteriorated, they were given new banners, the old ones were handed over to the regimental museum. So if you are interested in any particular military unit - it is necessary to make inquiries.


M.1883
The banners of this sample had a complex system of colors and icons depicted. All this was determined by the belonging of the military unit to the "branch of the army", the place in the division and the regimental holiday (the image of the patron Saint).


M.1900
Here, the color scheme of the banners became simpler, and the image of the patron saints was replaced by a single icon of Jesus Christ for all.

In my store I have on sale banners of almost all the latest modifications (except 1883) used in the Russian army, including during the Russo-Japanese War.

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=62_207_192

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2020, 04:40:12 AM »
If you can fight your way through the Russian, there is https://pochta-polevaya.ru/aboutarmy/history/russkaya-imperatorskaya-armiya/Banners_and_standards.html

There is an English translation floating out there somewhere, but I've forgotten who sells it.

Edit: Courier #66 has an article on Russian flags in the RJW.

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LTC Schyuler was an American observer assigned to the Russian army in Manchuria. In his report, he stated that the Russian colors are carried cased, even while the regiment is in battle. This is supported by Zweguintzow, and helps explain the lack of photographs depicting Russian standards. The reason for the cased colors is that the flags were treated as religious artifacts. Icons are sacred within the Orthodox Eastern Church, and the flags are displayed only for religious ceremonies or state occasions; thus while the flags always accompanied the regiment, they are always carried cased.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2020, 08:46:12 PM by Mark Plant »

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2020, 10:08:51 PM »
Thanks guys!
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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2020, 07:11:49 PM »
Thanks for posting.

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 06:38:36 PM »
Thanks again for the links!
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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2020, 06:23:16 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of a Russian flag case?

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2020, 01:46:25 AM »


Covers for banners and standards were made of black leather, 40 cm wide and 18 cm longer than the banner.

The color of the flag staff and its dimensions were established in 1857 and were used until 1917. In the infantry: length - 328.5 cm.
Colors: 1st regiment in a division - yellow, 3rd regiment - white, 2nd and 4th regiments in divisions, rifle regiments, engineering units - black.
In cavalry - length 248.5 cm. The shaft is dark green, with gilded or silvered grooves along the entire length of the shaft.
The underflow is a copper gilded "glass" of a conical shape, put on the lower end of the shaft to protect it from decay and damage.



The banner of the 1st East Siberian Rifle Regiment.




Review of the 140th infantry Zaraysk regiment, 1904.
This is how the banner could look if it was not replaced in time.

Nevertheless, I think that at the decisive moments of major battles, the covers were removed from the banners. Precisely because the banners were considered icons.

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2020, 05:31:52 PM »
Super photos!
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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2020, 06:13:53 PM »
Cheers.

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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2020, 05:10:24 PM »
Does anyone know if the Guard Regiments received the new flags?
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Re: Russian Regimental Flags
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2020, 02:54:22 AM »
Some of the guards military units received.

 

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