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Author Topic: Operations in the Sudan (4/13/21; Captain pg. 6)  (Read 6154 times)

Offline Jack Jones

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2020, 09:21:53 AM »
Cool!

Hereís a distillation of information about bayonets I gleaned from a Facebook group:

https://sandsofsoudan.blogspot.com/2020/10/martini-henry-rifle-bayonets-slings-and.html

As youíll see, the hand guard on the cutlass bayonet wasnít brass.

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2020, 05:04:35 PM »
Wow great to know. Thank you for that information. Iíve been referring to your blog on and off. Iíve noticed that the Empress minis do not seem to have the correct ďkitĒ. Not a really big issue but still interesting. They seem to be missing the water bottle and bag.

I just finished the basecoat on my second two miniatures and will make sure they have the correct cutlass. I guess our first rating lucked out and got the fancy version. Iíve also seen that the tie is actually black, and there should be some sort of name plate of the ship on their caps.

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2020, 07:26:04 PM »
Iíve noticed that the Empress minis do not seem to have the correct ďkitĒ. Not a really big issue but still interesting. They seem to be missing the water bottle and bag.


The lack of water bottle and bag matches contemporary illustrations of what they purport to be, which is to say Naval Brigade in the Zulu War.  So they are fine for what they are being sold as (just thought I'd point that out for Empress' sake if for no other reason).

Looking forward to seeing more of your Jack Tars and Marines. Keep posting! :)

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2020, 07:48:39 PM »
Thanks Plynkes, I figured that was probably why they were modeled that way. I do like a little variation, and think in the dust and smoke of the battle nobody will question why they left their most precious resource (water) in camp.

I'm also building these not so much to model the Sudan Campaign, but to create a body of infantry to play Colonial Skirmish games. I'm trying to complete a unit before purchasing, moving on to the next, but that's hard for me. I'm a bit of a hobby squirrel, running to and fro.

Take care, more pictures once I've got them painted up.

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2020, 08:01:16 PM »
Wow great to know. Thank you for that information. Iíve been referring to your blog on and off.

Youíre welcome. I now have a lot of figures primed, including a company of Naval Brigade and a company of RMLI. I hope to begin painting this side of Christmas.

Ö there should be some sort of name plate of the ship on their caps.

Yes, this would be the name of the vessel the sailors served in.

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2020, 09:43:22 PM »
This will be the complete first company for the naval brigade. Iím using a petty officer from the Perry range, and a lieutenant from the empress miniature range. I decided to include two Copplestone sailors because thatís what I needed to complete the full 20 man company. They actually scale quite well, compared to the Sennet hat giants.

Iíve finished one sailor as already posted. I went back and colored the sabre bayonet the correct color. Also added a ship name tag to his hat and got the sling colored correctly.

Iíve got two more in the works.






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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (first Rating painted, pg. 2)
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2020, 08:32:16 PM »
Here are the three completed ratings so far. I only have one more-based, and primered, so Iíll finish him up before getting everybody else ready to go.

I opted to go simple and only have a single white line on the back blue portion of the uniform. Actually what is that thing called? The light blue reverse bib? Anyway a single white line as opposed to the two itís just easier for me to paint.

Also, Empress miniature in the middle, flanked by two Perry miniatures. They fit quite well together.




« Last Edit: December 12, 2020, 08:35:17 PM by bc99 »

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2020, 11:26:17 AM »
Oh Smashing! Coming along nicely.


I don't blame you at all for painting a single stripe. It's hard enough to get one to look neat, let alone more. But unfortunately it is worse than you think: In the British Royal Navy it is three stripes. I have heard some stuff about it commerorating three of Nelson's victories, but I believe that is, as Cousin Jonathan would put it: a load of hogwash. :)


Viewed from any kind of distance the three stripes look like one thick one anyway, so I really wouldn't worry about it.




Edit: Oh, and I believe the thing in question is just called a collar. I've seen it referred to as a flap collar and a square-back collar, but if it has an official term I don't know what it is.




« Last Edit: December 14, 2020, 11:29:41 AM by Plynkes »

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2020, 02:49:48 PM »
I am nearing the need to consider how to paint the collars Ö three stripes or one 🤔

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2020, 02:27:02 AM »
I canít wait to see your naval brigade JJ.

And weíll call it a square-back collar, sounds rather naval Plynkes.

Hereís the fourth painted Rating. They took this lad straight out of the boiler room, gave him a rifle and set him on the shore party! Heís a big one!

I finished basing up another 14 or so, after that I will get them primered. Then to finish the last two but I need more bases.

Iíve got one sailor aiming his rifle, I believe I will try and take a crewmember from an empress miniatures Gatling gun and convert him a bit to another sailor advancing.

Edit: the proper name may be flap collar. There must be some Royal Navy vets here that can put us straight.




« Last Edit: December 15, 2020, 05:35:56 AM by bc99 »

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2020, 09:18:02 AM »
I'll throw 'square rig collar', and the more straightforward and obvious 'naval collar' and 'sailor's collar' into the pot, as I've heard and seen all of those too. :)




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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2020, 10:13:15 AM »
I absolutely concur with the point that painting 3 stripes on the collar would be pointless - it's hard enough painting one neatly, which you have managed very well, I must say.
I think they look absolutely excellent! Keep 'em coming!

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2020, 02:58:07 PM »
I'll throw 'square rig collar', and the more straightforward and obvious 'naval collar' and 'sailor's collar' into the pot, as I've heard and seen all of those too. :)

My understanding is that Ďrigí was the uniform of the day, and seems to have included equipment. For example, hereís a painting of a rating described as Ďlanding rigí (1883)

https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/13790.html

Square rig seems to mean ratings dressed as seamen, rather than dressed as stewards or cooks, say.

not to be confused with a configuration of sails and rigging.

Hereís an official piece on navy uniforms, where the collar is called the ĎSailorís collarí

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20101208211750/http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/training-and-people/rn-life/uniforms-and-badges-of-rank/the-history-of-rating-uniforms/index.htm

None of which is entirely conclusive in nomenclature terms Ö

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JJ

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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2021, 07:20:20 AM »
Three more ratings painted for a total of 7, photos taken in my airbrush/priming/dull coat box. I actually realized I need to add the ship name so Iíll do that before dull coating.

Iíve already picked out the next three and will include a petty officer. That will be half a platoon (per TSATF).

Take care all, the holidays were busy, Iíll post more soon.


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Re: British Naval Brigade vs.Royal Marines (more Ratings, pg. 3)
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2021, 05:32:56 AM »
Closer shot of one of the newer ratings. I love these miniatures from Empress. They have a lot of personality.


 

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