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Author Topic: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): What's the situation for customers and traders?  (Read 79461 times)

Offline Ray Rivers

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2021, 07:16:06 PM »
Yikes!

Perhaps we need a sticky of miniature manufacturers in the EU. Here are a few I know:

1898 miniatures: https://www.1898miniaturas.com/en/
Ammo (supplies): https://www.migjimenez.com/en/
Corvus Belli: https://store.corvusbelli.com/es/
Legio Heroica: http://www.legio-heroica.com/index-en.html
Totentanz miniatures: http://totentanz-miniatures.com/

Offline Citizen Sade

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2021, 07:55:00 PM »
Distributors too? A couple of names/links to get you started:
Battlefield Berlin, Germany
King Games, Denmark

Offline Deedles

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2021, 09:10:29 PM »
Well , that was painful . Ordered some bespoke  mats from Deepcut in Vilnius (used them for many years ). So £250 of order has attracted £73 of VAT ( not getting the maths on that at all - and will need to look at it) and £11.30 processing by UPS . I reckon that has just killed ordering from them unfortunately. Hopefully Crisis is on for visit later in the year



« Last Edit: January 14, 2021, 09:13:08 PM by Deedles »
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Offline Fighting15s

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2021, 08:40:37 AM »
Well , that was painful . Ordered some bespoke  mats from Deepcut in Vilnius (used them for many years ). So £250 of order has attracted £73 of VAT ( not getting the maths on that at all - and will need to look at it) and £11.30 processing by UPS . I reckon that has just killed ordering from them unfortunately. Hopefully Crisis is on for visit later in the year

Deepcut is VAT-registered, so pre-Brexit you’d have paid the VAT in the total price at the point of purchase.

Post Brexit, Deepcut should deduct the VAT and via courier for an order over £135 you’d instead pay the VAT on entry to the UK. Additionally, you would pay VAT on the actual delivery cost via UPS. So the sting is only the handling charge, the extra VAT on the delivery charge, and whatever variation on order value is due to the currency conversion rate used. Divide that across the total and the premium isn’t that high in percentage terms. I repeat that you would have paid the VAT on the mats anyway: it’s just a shock to have it charged separately.

The way to minimise extra charges is to order big to dilute the effect of the handling charge and VAT on delivery charges. It’s what I did for years as Eureka’s agent: a £12 DHL collection fee spread across £500+ of figures is next to nothing. The VAT was inescapable. :)

There are problems associated with the UK’s implementation of the same basic system that the EU will use from 1 July, in that although the EU will not require registration for VAT in one EU country to sell into the EU - it’s optional, but smoothes importation and will eliminate handling charges - the post-Brexit UK insists on registration for VAT in the UK to sell into the UK. This particularly affects orders under £135 in value - for shipments of higher value the existing approach to charge VAT on import applies. And which is why some US wargames businesses are suddenly not selling to the UK. Obviously it doesn’t just affect US businesses, but no one in Australia has started howling yet.
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Offline SiamTiger

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2021, 09:19:18 AM »
To be honest, to see that a huge portion of the traders/manufacturers weren't able to ask for a proper conditions on bulk shipping (companies like DPD, GPS and so on offer them starting at really low numbers), I don't see a good chance for proper support of this tax/customs/fee.

Offline Leunstoelgeneraalbd

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2021, 11:26:30 AM »
A few days ago I received the following message from The Plastic Soldier Company (and I am living in The Netherlands):

"EU shipping guarantee

With all the "challenges" and uncertainties of Brexit and the end of the transition period 1 January 2021, we want to make sure our lovely customers in the EU continue to get their PSC goodness without having to pay any extra costs around VAT, handling charges etc.

From what we understand currently we have come up with a cunning plan! If EU customers keep their orders below £60 and below 2kg in weight , we will be sending the order as a smaller Royal Mail parcel and any unpleasantness should be avoided! To make this doubly secure for our customers we will offer the guarantee that, in the unlikely event of the customer being charged anything extra on delivery for VAT, handling, customs etc, we will reimburse the additional costs.

So, to be safely under 2 kg, EU customers should follow these guidelines when placing an order:-

One hardback book and one plastic kit, or
Upto two softback books and one plastic kit, or
Upto three plastic kits, or
One boardgame"

So anyone else who is able to offer this to his (future) cliënts is of course strongly adviced to do so.

Offline black hat miniatures

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2021, 01:10:36 PM »
A few days ago I received the following message from The Plastic Soldier Company (and I am living in The Netherlands):

"EU shipping guarantee

With all the "challenges" and uncertainties of Brexit and the end of the transition period 1 January 2021, we want to make sure our lovely customers in the EU continue to get their PSC goodness without having to pay any extra costs around VAT, handling charges etc.

From what we understand currently we have come up with a cunning plan! If EU customers keep their orders below £60 and below 2kg in weight , we will be sending the order as a smaller Royal Mail parcel and any unpleasantness should be avoided! To make this doubly secure for our customers we will offer the guarantee that, in the unlikely event of the customer being charged anything extra on delivery for VAT, handling, customs etc, we will reimburse the additional costs.

So, to be safely under 2 kg, EU customers should follow these guidelines when placing an order:-

One hardback book and one plastic kit, or
Upto two softback books and one plastic kit, or
Upto three plastic kits, or
One boardgame"

So anyone else who is able to offer this to his (future) cliënts is of course strongly adviced to do so.

This is just gambling on the parcels not being caught in customs - from July they will be checking all parcels with electronic handling...
Mike Lewis

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Offline Ray Rivers

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2021, 03:48:25 PM »
This is just gambling on the parcels not being caught in customs - from July they will be checking all parcels with electronic handling...

Sounds like I need to buy my stuff for this year soon... while confusion reigns!  :D

Offline Fighting15s

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2021, 04:34:00 PM »
Sounds like I need to buy my stuff for this year soon... while confusion reigns!  :D

Now is definitely the time! A number of my EU customers have already twigged that it’s the right moment to make small (sub-22euro of product) orders to make the most of the low value exemption threshold before it ends on 1 July.


Offline Andrew66

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2021, 11:21:03 PM »
Contacted another trader today who is vat registered, they said that they were doing free shipping now , but as I explained even with free shipping a £22.50 box of figures will still cost £37 , I think I will have to go the way of a European distributor , found one in Germany that stocks a lot, , the only benefit I get is I can order from aventine no problem 😀

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2021, 12:24:08 AM »
Yikes!

Perhaps we need a sticky of miniature manufacturers in the EU. Here are a few I know:

1898 miniatures: https://www.1898miniaturas.com/en/
Ammo (supplies): https://www.migjimenez.com/en/
Corvus Belli: https://store.corvusbelli.com/es/
Legio Heroica: http://www.legio-heroica.com/index-en.html
Totentanz miniatures: http://totentanz-miniatures.com/

That’s the whole point of the Common Market, I suppose: create advantages for those on inside and disadvantages for those on the outside.

As it is, Great Britain has a history which has led to vibrant and fertile wargames market which we really dont see to the same extent in the rest of Europe. The EU wargames businesses have a lot of growing and maturing to do.

With increasing import prices I cannot see myself purchasing the same volumes from the UK any longer. Lucky for me I have a lead mountain which will keep me busy for decades.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2021, 07:07:00 PM by Hammers »

Offline robh

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2021, 11:24:13 AM »
That’s the whole point of the Common Market, I suppose: create advantages for for those on inside and disadvantages for those on the outside.

If only they had left it at that   >:(

Some other manufacturers for the EU listing:
MoM Miniatures    https://www.momminiatures.com
CGM    https://www.campaign-game-miniatures.com
Germania Figuren    https://germania-figuren.eu
Tercios Miniatures    https://terciosminiatures.com

Offline bluewillow

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2021, 11:56:51 AM »
I have placed two orders under the 2kg €45 parcel limit for france ...we shall see if I get caught out

cheers
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Offline Belgian

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2021, 12:13:42 PM »
Will also buy less from the UK due to especially handling fees.

Know these Greek, Italian, Spanish and Polish companies in the EU

Shieldwolf Miniatures (fantasy and scifi hard-plastic and resin minis)
Fireforge Games (fantasy and historical hard-plastic and resin minis)
Barrage Miniatures (historical scenery, boats, vehicles etc)
Puppetswar
Kromlech
Hexy Studio
Mirliton
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Offline WillieB

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Re: Post-Brexit Shipping (EU<->UK): Lack of information from traders
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2021, 11:46:57 AM »
Will also buy less from the UK due to especially handling fees.

Order#1 from the UK in December ( VAT registered company but irrelevant then) Arrived in January via courier service.
48 figures net worth £84 + £9 p&P  Total spend £93 .Average price for 1 figure £1.93

Order #2  from the UK in January ( got here in 6 days!) ( company Not VAT registered ) Arrived in January via courier service( actually the same as order #1!)
50 figures net worth £82.5 + £14 p&p + 16£ (18€) Customs charge + £9 (10 €) 'handling charge' Total spend £ 121 ( depending on conversion rate) Average price per figure £2.42.

Guess I'm going to be very selective in what I buy next. I will end up with less toys, but as I, just as the most of us, have a huge lead mountain I'll just dig into that. What I'm not going to do is add nearly 50% to my hobby budget. Simple economics will always 'win' out.

Future of Crisis show still very uncertain. Aside from the Covid 19 situation, I would have to start preparing in late March/ early April to get ready by November. Frankly impossible now.My crystal ball is extremely cloudy  :D

If, and when Crisis is hosted (scheduled for November 6th) it will probably be a smaller, more European flavoured one, as UK traders will face an enormous amount of paperwork just to get here.
Have tried to find my way into Customs regulations but gave up ( for the time being)  after getting wildly different answers. If it becomes any clearer I'll keep everyone posted. Changing the VAT system again in July really doesn't help either because any relevant info ( not that we're getting any now!), could become irrelevant by that time.

European retailers might be a blessing and a (big) partial solution if they can keep up with their imports.






« Last Edit: January 18, 2021, 09:48:33 PM by WillieB »
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