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Author Topic: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept  (Read 9449 times)

Offline JBaumal

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - Dutch Colonial Troops
« Reply #105 on: August 15, 2022, 01:04:36 AM »
Beautiful, I think they are great proxies!!!!

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - Dutch Colonial Troops
« Reply #106 on: August 15, 2022, 05:20:30 AM »
It all looks marvellous!

Dutch colonials from Tiger miniatures may be useful: https://www.tigerminiatures.co.uk/dutch-colonial

Not the best sculpts out there but inexpensive.

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Offline FifteensAway

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - Dutch Colonial Troops
« Reply #107 on: August 15, 2022, 05:37:12 PM »
Nice. 

And the uniform is very like the Germans I am going to paint for my Slightly Cracked Colonials, a few units of Essiggurkesoldaten.  I hope that is right, my high school German was a long, long time ago.  Supposed to be Pickle Soldiers, basic picklehaub wearing Germans transformed into Lark Side colonial units wearing green - the color of pickles.  Just an odd bit of humor that tickles me.  Feel free to correct my German if it is wrong.

On your soldiers, the photos show brown and green puttees but yours look like they might be off white - or are they supposed to be a lighter green?

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - Dutch Colonial Troops
« Reply #108 on: August 15, 2022, 05:44:35 PM »
Those Dutch Colonials look good.  Great job on color choice!
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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - Dutch Colonial Troops
« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2022, 02:53:50 PM »
http://www.hlbs-redux.co.uk/28mm-german-colonial-infantry.html#/

These might be useful. But don't wait too long as the metal ranges are  being discontinued.
There are even separate  - resin- head sets.
HLBSC figures are a little less stocky than the Brigade ones but will still match.
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Offline Shtim

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #110 on: August 29, 2022, 06:51:35 PM »
Thank you all for the kind comments!

On your soldiers, the photos show brown and green puttees but yours look like they might be off white - or are they supposed to be a lighter green?

Correct! In all honesty, I purposefully overlooked some historical accuracy to add some contrast to the models, opting for a lighter set of puttees :)

Thank you also to WillieB and Sgt_T for the miniature suggestions!



This week, a small proof of concept from me.

As you may recall, I've been having some trouble coming up with a solution for the streetscape. On one hand I want my buildings/streets/overall town layout to remain modular and flexible so that I can interchange buildings and terrain depending on the setting. On the other hand, I want the layout to be detailed. Whilst a neoprene matt combined with my buildings fulfils the first requirement , it doesn't allow for much detail work. Similarly, whilst a full-on wargaming board/detailed layout fulfils the second requirement, a board with glued on details, built in roads etc. results in a lack of modularity.

Having thought this over, I think I have come up with a solution.

As shown below, I intend to make various sizes of city blocks - a hardened dirt area (potentially also concrete) surrounded by pavement curb which may contain some bits of vegetation or grass. Details which may easily break if glued in (i.e. the electricity pylons and tree in the picture below) are magnetised so that they don't snap if someone brushes past. The magnets are glued to the bottom of the item, and another magnet is placed on the bottom side of the city block plate, so the item can be placed anywhere.

My buildings will be placed on these city blocks, which can in turn be placed on the bottom street layer. To change the city layout, simply switch some of the city blocks out and add different buildings on top. The blocks will have various sizes, but have a relatively standardised look in terms of texture/grass/vegetation etc.

Should you wish to have fewer buildings and more vegetation, simply remove the city block plates and add a set of trees instead.

Some pictures below - this tester piece is for a table corner as it only has a curb on 2 sides:

Block with post office and small shop:




Block with fountain and fish shop:




Block with no buildings (perhaps the area is under construction)


Whilst the solution is far from perfect, I think this allows for a good balance between detail work and modularity.

Let me know your thoughts! The XPS foam and MDF bases for the street layer should be arriving this week, so I will start work on the base layer soon.

Thanks,
Shtim

Offline robh

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #111 on: August 29, 2022, 10:18:20 PM »
The building blocks look great, I think your idea works very well.

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2022, 12:34:25 AM »
This entire thread is filled with fantastic figures and buildings! Inspirational!
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Offline FifteensAway

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2022, 03:45:03 AM »
Block concept seems workable.  It harkens back to some articles in early Wargames Illustrated issues where there was a SYW village that was on various base boards all designed to work together, also another article by same for a tent camp.  Another idea I saw - I think here on LAF in the Old West portion - was to have "half blocks" that were meant to abut to the back of a building and could, to a degree, be interchangeable.

When I started reading your post before giving a close look to the photos I flashed on having just "the front" portion of buildings, similar to the "half blocks" above, where you have the front side of a building - or several buildings - to give that 'lived in' look to the front of the building before hitting the street, somewhat similar to what you did but not the full base. 

I think all of the ideas work.  My challenge is coming up with a way to make vertical modularity work when I want a town to be on rising (or lowering I guess) terrain rather than just flat.  Working in 15 mm, this is more practical than in larger scales - though not impossible.

You have given me food for further thought on "modular townships" for the gaming table.

And, as others have said, this is a really cool thread packed with lots of ideas and really nice modeling.

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2022, 09:04:27 AM »
That is a nice solution
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Offline Shtim

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #115 on: August 30, 2022, 08:23:49 PM »
Block concept seems workable.  It harkens back to some articles in early Wargames Illustrated issues where there was a SYW village that was on various base boards all designed to work together, also another article by same for a tent camp.  Another idea I saw - I think here on LAF in the Old West portion - was to have "half blocks" that were meant to abut to the back of a building and could, to a degree, be interchangeable.

[…]

I think all of the ideas work.  My challenge is coming up with a way to make vertical modularity work when I want a town to be on rising (or lowering I guess) terrain rather than just flat.  Working in 15 mm, this is more practical than in larger scales - though not impossible.


Thank you all for the kind comments!

FifteensAway, you don’t happen to have any links or photos from those articles and/or threads, do you?

On the vertical modularity, I tend to agree - that is a core challenge. Having said that, you could have artificial vertical inclines (retaining walls with walkways and higher platforms on which you place the base boards, rather than natural features such as cliff sides or hills) but no buildings would be placed on the slopes I guess… unless you made a building especially designed for an incline with an angled foundation…

Either way, interesting thoughts from your side - thanks!

Offline FifteensAway

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #116 on: August 31, 2022, 01:21:38 AM »
Shtim,

Give me some time - probably next week at earliest - and I'll see what I can find.  Up against a deadline tomorrow and serious heat wave coming (may be as high as 111 this weekend!  Hope not.) and holiday weekend so wife may have 'other plans'.  Don't have links or photos but can try and track down the issues and the thread.  Was a few years ago for the LAF thread so might be a bear to find - but I'm sure it is there (not sure if the photos are, though!). 

Offline Hupp n at em

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Re: Shtim's Dutch Colonial Adventure - City Block Proof of Concept
« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2022, 01:19:33 PM »
I had a similar idea for my Fallout project a while back, never got past the idea stage though.  lol  Very cool to see a real proof-of-concept - it looks great, very promising!

 

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