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Author Topic: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad  (Read 5118 times)

Offline cuprum

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2021, 07:57:27 AM »
Stalingrad Tractor Plant is one of the main manufacturers of T-34s. So it will probably be the hulls of the new tanks. Although, of course, the plant was also repairing damaged tanks, being in the immediate zone of hostilities.
Although I do not think that there were very many of them, since the battlefield then often remained with the opponents, and even only damaged or faulty tanks had to be left on the territory occupied by the Nazis.

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2021, 08:01:39 AM »
By the way, pay attention - one of the workers in the photo is armed with a tank machine gun. There should have been a lot of them in the factory warehouses.

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2021, 08:03:18 AM »
Very possible but there isn't much consensus.  My assumption was these were in the process of being repaired (brought in for engine damage rather than battle damage) so didn't require much effort to get them moving.

Good point on the DT28 but bolt action doesn't allow them  ::)
Iight swap a couple in anyway

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2021, 08:04:43 AM »
Very much yes to that. On my first visit to Bovington Tank Museum,
I & a mate prized ourselves into the (thankfully) cut-away turret of
their Pz III.   I was in the commander's position. I would have said,
'sat' but that would imply some degree of comfort. The guns recoil
would have come very close to my stomach, honest I'm not that fat.

As an aside, I asked my mate to have a look out of the vision block
next to him, & tell me what he could see. His reply was, 'If I didn't
know we're parked next to a Jagdpanther, I would not be able to
tell you there is a Jagdpanther parked beside us!'.
Wargamers please note this level of visability.

We did the same at Bovvy in the early 70s. I sat in a Pz. IV, co-driver's seat, very claustrophobic. Just below the hatch was a thing like a dinner plate fitted to a sprung arm that swung over yer melon. I was told it was for pressing your head into to brace yourself while firing the machine gun...
in them days I was right into tanks, but couldn't get out of that one fast enough!

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2021, 09:11:29 AM »
For reference each hull costs about 50p in resin and takes 10 hours

Ah, cool, where did you get the stl? Good idea.

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2021, 09:19:59 AM »
I drew it  lol

Before long I'll probably have a kit form T34....
I'm planning on a bare turret next....

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2021, 07:57:26 PM »
We did the same at Bovvy in the early 70s. I sat in a Pz. IV, co-driver's seat, very claustrophobic. Just below the hatch was a thing like a dinner plate fitted to a sprung arm that swung over yer melon. I was told it was for pressing your head into to brace yourself while firing the machine gun...
in them days I was right into tanks, but couldn't get out of that one fast enough!

:?
So much for the Pz IV's reputation of having better ergonomics than its contemporaries!  lol

Or maybe the others were even worse... we know that the improved, larger turret for the 85mm gun was a massive upgrade for the T-34's crew.

But then again Shermans had huge amounts of room inside because they were the size of a small house (and Lees/Grants were even worse for being huge!), so I really am wondering where this Panzer reputation comes from...  ;D

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2021, 08:14:12 PM »
Is it perhaps that, despite the lack of room they were easier to control?  ie no need for a hammer to shift gears...

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2021, 02:16:15 AM »
If you are interested in comparing the qualities of the Sherman and the T-34, I recommend reading the book by the Russian tanker who fought on the Sherman: 
Commanding the Red Army’s Sherman tanks. The World War II memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union, Loza Dmitriy. Translated and edited by James F. Gebhardt. Published 1996 by University of Nebraska Press in Lincoln. 173 p. ISBN 0-8032-2920-8.

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2021, 08:29:12 AM »
Ok so the table plan is congealing.  Just ordered 25m of 3x3mm abs plastic angle.  I'm going to make a jig and build roof trusses.  I could laser the trusses but they always look laser cut.  Also the ABS will be stronger and with heat can be twisted like iron one would.  Still working on how to do lots of corrugated iron...
I'm pondering a DIY vac form over a 3d printed master...  However I can't use the oven to heat it, that would be suicide :o

I'm also looking at how to make lots of bricks.  I'm thinking a 3d printed positive mould, then latex negative mould (cheap and easy) then orange/brown/black coloured plaster.

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2021, 08:33:04 AM »
Just ordered 25m of 3x3mm abs plastic angle.

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I love the gigantism that your projects always come to !

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2021, 08:38:09 AM »
Lol.  Well the trusses will be 9" each side and probably 18" in the middle.  So around 4 500mm lengths per full roof truss.  So that only gets me around 10 trusses.  That said they will be smashed down as I always find things like roof trusses in place annoying and fragile. 

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2021, 10:02:21 AM »
Quote
I'm pondering a DIY vac form over a 3d printed master...

Perhaps it makes sense to use for the manufacture of corrugated iron - thin aluminum foil for baking, shaping it on homemade rollers (similar to jewelry). To make the profile rollers themselves using 3D printing?

Something like that:


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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2021, 10:08:33 AM »
I thought of that but it's just too fragile.  I do have some thicker pewter foil somewhere but I can't find it....

I was thinking vac form should do sheets complete with overlaps and fixings in one go...  Might be being over ambitious though...

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Re: ChTZ T-34 Stalingrad
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2021, 07:59:50 PM »
By the way, I just want to say that your painting of those rough hulls is fantastic. Very tricky to get that in-progress metalwork look without the item looking too clean or too dirty. How did you manage it?

 

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