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Offline Mike Blake

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IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« on: June 20, 2021, 10:48:43 AM »
I am just starting to assemble the figures for a small IJA force to operate in my Back of Beyond set up. I have consulted the reference material here, in books,  where the basic uniform colour is generally described as khaki of a greenish or grey-green shade, but the colour plates in the sources do not, to me, reflect this, generally being a more mustard shade of khaki. I am wondering what colour to actually go for, in terms of any of the usual model paint ranges (Vallejo, Citadel, Foundry, Coat d'Armes etc).

Any advice greatfully received.

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Offline Mad Lord Snapcase

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2021, 01:33:13 PM »
Sorry, I have no idea about colour, but your IJA force sounds very interesting. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.


Offline WarlordFish

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2021, 02:27:38 PM »
A khaki of a greenish or grey green shade? That reminds me of the IJNLF or SNLF uniforms adopted post 1932, which were not the traditional mustard shade of khaki worn by everyone else. I've never heard of these guys before, could you post up some more information on there? Perhaps cite your reference material? That could give better material to work with to figure out a paint for you.

Offline 88D

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2021, 05:18:34 PM »
Pre 1934 uniforms would be a tan khaki colour ( not Vallejo Japanese uniform far too yellow) and starting in 1934 until 45 it would be the greenish khaki you are describing, unfortunately the only Japanese figures wearing the correct Bob period uniforms (ww1-manchurian incident) are the reaver miniatures ones which could charitably called rustic.

https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E9%98%B2%E8%89%B2

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2021, 07:51:48 PM »
I have wanted Japanese for quite a while. Black Army had a very small selection that looked right to me but they never answered my emails or shipped me minis. Mike however is probably more interested in that heretical giant scale of his  lol
Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.

Offline Mike Blake

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2021, 01:05:19 PM »
I should explain that Sitrukistan/Sitrucistan is our imagi-nation where most of the BoB fighting goes on, based roughly on Bukahra with elements from other states too.

This IJA SODS is my take on a force detached from the main IJA forces in China, to establish a Japanese presence in the country, cooperating/eliminating local forces as best suits IJ policy.

MG - It is indeed all in TOTS, which makes production a bit of a challenge (not to mention storage) but units are kept small and games are skirmishes not big battles.

Thanks for the link and photo 88D - excellent  - what would you actually suggest for the the tan khaki you mention as this is aimed at being pre 1934, c1918-30 say.

Offline 88D

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2021, 05:11:24 PM »
Probably Vallejo green brown (mine seems to be a very yellowish khaki) and a basic khaki combination.

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2021, 07:52:47 AM »
Hi Mike,

The yellowish Khaki seems right although there is one pic in a greenish service uniform in the siberia thread below and a more biege Khaki recreation too.  So things probably varied.

Two threads that are hopefully useful with lots of related pics and info.

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=106
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=102292

Looking forward to seeing more.

Offline Mike Blake

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2021, 12:56:37 PM »
Thanks everyone. It looks like, as usual, sources vary and the range of shades is...wide. I will experiment and choose one that looks 'right to me' -though it will of course displease some.

I confess compromising on the figures for the cavalry, as there are no mounted Japanese in 54mm so I have had to use some WWI British because they wear peaked caps. But the whole effect looked too British to me so I swapped heads with some Japanese infantry in the older style more up-right style and that has helped. The equipment is still too British - which I justified to myelf as the IJA SODS getting issued some WWI GB army surplus the Japanese government had bought cheap. Not wanting to waste it on good troops they sent it to the SODS... I am afraid I am taking some other liberties with details, like giving the cavalry green bases to their caps intead of red - another SODS distinction  ;). The officer wears a fur coat (greenstuff) and the old blue and red uniform underneath, a personal affectation - and I may even extend the red breeches to the men as it looks rather snazzy...sorry but it is an imagi-nation after all.


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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2021, 05:09:55 PM »
Thanks everyone. It looks like, as usual, sources vary and the range of shades is...wide. I will experiment and choose one that looks 'right to me' -though it will of course displease some.

You may be needing this if anyone actually objects.  ;)






Offline Mike Blake

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Re: IJA Special Operations Detachment Sitrukistan
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2021, 08:54:45 AM »
Indeed! Some people call it 'chess with a thousand pieces' - I call it 'playing with toy soldiers'. Don Featherstone

 

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