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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - Orc army on the march
« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2022, 08:52:19 PM »
Hi Belgian, for the wolf riders, I assembled the models completely before painting because I wanted to use green stuff to fill gaps and I was sticking plastic riders on metal wolves (mostly). In retrospect, it probably would have been simpler to paint the riders and wolves separately and use pins and CA glue to hold them on.

For painting, they were primed white, then I mostly used washes and contrast paints. Initially I used GW Reikland flesh wash inside the mouths and around the lips and on the foot pads (where they are visible). Next, I used GW’s “white” contrast paint on the legs, stomach, lower side of the face. Next, GW skeleton bone contrast, thinned a bit - I put that everywhere the ‘white’ wasn’t, and overlapped it on the white a bit on upper legs, flanks, etc. That was to give the fur that tawny look many wolves have. Finally, I used a few different GW mid-dark browns (one colour per wolf), to put the darker markings on each beast. I thinned the brown a bit and made sure it was darkest on the uppermost fur (top of face, along the spine, top of tail) and faded into the tawny parts. I looked at reference pics, but didn’t worry about trying to get the markings perfect - wolves vary. The main thing was to get lighter colors lower on the body, and leave some lighter colour on the cheeks and muzzle.

After that, I painted the riders, and then picked out some details, like teeth and some yellow or red on the wolves’ eyes.

I hope that’s helpful!

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - Orc army on the march
« Reply #151 on: November 18, 2022, 11:52:26 AM »
Hi Belgian, for the wolf riders, I assembled the models completely before painting because I wanted to use green stuff to fill gaps and I was sticking plastic riders on metal wolves (mostly). In retrospect, it probably would have been simpler to paint the riders and wolves separately and use pins and CA glue to hold them on.

For painting, they were primed white, then I mostly used washes and contrast paints. Initially I used GW Reikland flesh wash inside the mouths and around the lips and on the foot pads (where they are visible). Next, I used GW’s “white” contrast paint on the legs, stomach, lower side of the face. Next, GW skeleton bone contrast, thinned a bit - I put that everywhere the ‘white’ wasn’t, and overlapped it on the white a bit on upper legs, flanks, etc. That was to give the fur that tawny look many wolves have. Finally, I used a few different GW mid-dark browns (one colour per wolf), to put the darker markings on each beast. I thinned the brown a bit and made sure it was darkest on the uppermost fur (top of face, along the spine, top of tail) and faded into the tawny parts. I looked at reference pics, but didn’t worry about trying to get the markings perfect - wolves vary. The main thing was to get lighter colors lower on the body, and leave some lighter colour on the cheeks and muzzle.

After that, I painted the riders, and then picked out some details, like teeth and some yellow or red on the wolves’ eyes.

I hope that’s helpful!

Thanks for the information much appreciated and very helpful!
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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #152 on: December 07, 2022, 12:53:50 AM »
It took me a while to recover from my orc painting bender in September and October, but I have finally finished a few more figures. The trolls are nominally 1:72 figures made by Dark Alliance, but they fit pretty well with 28mm figures. I actually like them better size-wise than the GW versions. At 8 to a package, they’re inexpensive but I’m not sure the savings are worth the hassle of carving off soft plastic mould lines, which were severe in places. Reviews I read online said the mould lines were minimal, but both sprues I got were equally bad, so I think the mould must be worn out. I’m honestly not sure I’ll bother painting the other six figures, the prep work is soul eating. At least these two turned out!

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #153 on: December 07, 2022, 01:03:02 AM »
I also painted a few goblins that I didn’t get to in October. The leader and wizard are Reaper metal figures, alongside an old (Asgard?) sculpt I got in a pack from Alternative Armies. One of the archers is a pure Wargames Atlantic figure and the others are kitbashes using old Mantic goblin bodies with Oathmark heads and Oathmark or Frostgrave arms. These guys will bulk out the goblin archer units in the horde!

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #154 on: December 07, 2022, 03:48:02 AM »
I agree with you on the Dark Alliance Trolls, those mould lines are no fun but the price helps… and your brushwork made those look great! Same with the Goblins, excellent work.
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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #155 on: December 07, 2022, 05:35:16 AM »
 :o Excellent additions! The trolls look spot on with your goblins, but, personally, I found the Peter Jackson trolls way too large, so tuning them down a bit is the absolute right thing.

That horde by now looks really cool and the various models fit together perfectly!

And as a PS, even though I am not Belgian: thanks for the recipe for the wolves! I have something similar in 15mm ahead of me!

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #156 on: December 07, 2022, 06:22:34 AM »
I do like the way you have done those trolls. Be good to see some pics of them all together as an army.

The goblins look good too.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2022, 06:24:33 AM by Golgotha »

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #157 on: December 07, 2022, 10:23:16 AM »
Lovely stuff as always Pattus. I've really been enjoying this thread and I've been using it as a benchmark for where I'd like to get to with my own orcish rabble. I also like how the limited colour palette is tying all these different manufacturers into a unified horde. I suspect that AA orc may have originally been by Rieder Design rather than Asgard, but my Google-fu is weak today so I may well be wrong.

You've also done a belter of a job on those Dark Alliance trolls. Can't really comment on the mould lines being worse than before (I've never handled their models), but as they're based in Ukraine it's a wonder that they're still able manufacture kits at all. Anyway, I think you're right about these scaling well with the 28s and they are a great addition to your army.

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #158 on: December 07, 2022, 10:56:34 AM »
Great work on all of those!

The AA guy was originally a Rieder Design Orc of the Stiff Crow. He looks splendid here. I wonder if AA will ever rerelease the other Rieder Orcs, which are great.

The trolls look good shorn of their horns. For the mouldlines, have you tried using a heated pin? I found the best way to clean up a whole load of Dark Alliance figures was to set up a candle outside (to avoid exposure to the fumes) and then just melt the mouldlines away with a hot pin, using a cork as a handle.

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #159 on: December 07, 2022, 03:50:05 PM »
Thanks for all of the positive feedback, I appreciate it and I’m always happy to hear it when my figures inspire others!

Old Hob, Hobgoblin, you’re right of course, the AA goblin was originally by Reider Designs, he came out of the same pack that had the ‘crow on a stick’ standard bearer!

And thanks for the advice, Hobgoblin, regarding the mould lines on the trolls, I’ll give that a try when I can work outside again on figures (should be some time around March, it has been -20 or colder here lately and frostbite is a sacrifice I don’t need to make for my art!)


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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #160 on: December 09, 2022, 10:08:02 AM »
Awesome as always great work on the trolls and archers. Have been playing with the same idea of mixing Mantic Games Goblins with other companies and wasn't convinced but looks like I was wrong. Might give it a try  :D

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Re: Pattus Magnus' Fantasy Armies - December update, some trolls and goblins
« Reply #161 on: December 09, 2022, 04:40:21 PM »
Hi Belgian, thanks! Regarding the Mantic goblins, there have been two versions released. The ones I used were the original ones that had soft details, obvious mould lines, and rigid poses. They have been out of production for a few years, since Mantic completely replaced them with newer sculpts. I haven’t seen the newer ones.

I would say, if you already have some of the old Mantic goblins, kitbashing with Oathmark parts is a good way to get some value out of them (the main modification needed is to pare back the weird forward-thrusting neck join on the bodies), but I wouldn’t recommend bothering to track them down.

 

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