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Author Topic: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts  (Read 668 times)

Offline Atheling

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With a heady a mix of nostalgia for a WAB event in the Late Spring of next year and an excuse to get another army speed painted for The Analogue Hobbies Painting Challenge (details below) I present to you a 2800 point list for a Late Roman Imperial Field Army.

I would be happy to hear any helpful hints or ideas on changing the composition of the army. Very happy in fact as I have only really played a few games of WAB V.2 and I'm much more used to WAB V.1 and V.1.5.

***The two Legates will sit on the Foederatii Heavy Cavalry giving me a hard hitting Cavalry unit

WAB V.2 Late Roman Imperial Field Army List 2800Pts
CHARACTERS: Up to 25% (up to 700) - 468pts
INFANTRY: At Least 25% (at least 700) -1446pts
CAVALRY: Up to 50% (up to 1400) -
FOEDERATI Up to 33% (up to 933)- 295
ALLEIS AND MERCENARIES: Up to 20% (up to 560)- 411

CHARCATERS:
Magister:                              161
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Thrusting Spear/Horse
Army General
M-7/WS-5/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-3/I-5/A-2/Ld-9

Army standard Bearer:                              109
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Horse
Army Standard Bearer
M-7/WS-4/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-2/I-5/A-2/Ld-8

***Legate A:                                    99
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Thrusting Spear/Horse
M-7/WS-5/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-2/I-5/A-2/Ld-8

***Legate B:                                    99
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Throwing Spear/Horse
M-7/WS-5/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-2/I-5/A-2/Ld-8

INFANTRY:
24 Legionaries: (L/S/M)                              375
16 Spear
Hand Weapon/Light Armour/Large Shield/Heavy Throwing Spear/Darts      287
8 Archer
Shieldwall                                    88
M-3/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-7

24 Legionaries: (L/S/M)                              375
16 Spear
Hand Weapon/Light Armour/Large Shield/Heavy Throwing Spear/Darts      287
8 Archers
Shieldwall                                    88
M-3/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-7

24 Legionaries: (L/S/M)                              375
16 Spear
Hand Weapon/Light Armour/Large Shield/Heavy Throwing Spear/Darts      287
8 Archers
Shieldwall                                    88
M-3/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-7

Auxilia- Elite Palatin: (L/M/S)                           321
18 Hand Weapon/Large Shield/Throwing Spear/Darts
Elite Palatini
Light Infantry/Drilled
M-5/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-8

11 Archers:                                     88
Bow/Buckler
Light Infantry   
M-5/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-6

11 Archers:                                     88
Bow/Buckler
Light Infantry   
M-5/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-6
                              
CAVALRY:

FOEDERATII:
10 Heavy Cavalry:(L/S/M)                           295
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Throwing Spear/Javelins
WS-4/BS-3/S-3/T/3W-1/I-3/Ld-7

ALLIES AND MERCENARIES:
12 Goths: (L/S/M)                                 411
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Buckler/Kontos
Shock Cavalry
WS-4/BS-3/S-3/T/3W-1/I-4/Ld-8

Total = 2796 Points

The Analogue Hobbies Painting Challenge:
http://thepaintingchallenge.blogspot.com/
« Last Edit: November 13, 2021, 11:40:13 AM by Atheling »

Offline Johnp4000

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Re: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2021, 02:57:46 PM »
As this is Late Romans, I would suggest dropping one of the Legionary units and investing in either more Cavalry, or more archers. Assuming that you are going to be facing cavalry heavy armies. You will need to protect the flanks. I think isn't this the edition where cavalry can march ignoring nearby infantry?

Offline Atheling

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Re: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2021, 05:17:07 PM »
As this is Late Romans, I would suggest dropping one of the Legionary units and investing in either more Cavalry, or more archers. Assuming that you are going to be facing cavalry heavy armies.

I'll look into it. Cavalry are very expensive on WAB V.2 AoA V.2 with a unit of WS3 Ld 7 Equited coming in at 339 point for 12 models. You also have to take  two units of Equites to take Catapharacts (also annoyingly WS3 and Ld 7)- both units can be upgraded to Scholae (Ld 8 and Drilled but this can start to get very expensive.

You will need to protect the flanks. I think isn't this the edition where cavalry can march ignoring nearby infantry?

Yes, that is the one thing that I love about WAB V.2. I can barley think of any (none freak) circumstances in military history where Infantry successfully put off the march of a Cavalry Unit; I'm sure it happened but was relatively rare.

My original list (below) had a good selection of cavalry but all suffered form being WS3 which without First Charge (even with Frist Charge) is a recipe for calamity if they fail to get around the flanks. Being Drilled will help but not without a very strong centre of Legionaries to pin the enemy.

CHARACTERS: Up to 25% (up to 700) - 468pts
INFANTRY: At Least 25% (at least 700) -1129pts
CAVALRY: Up to 50% (up to 1400) -1198pts
FOEDERATI Up to 33% (up to 933)
ALLEIS AND MERCENARIES: Up to 20% (up to 560)

CHARCATERS:
Magister:                                    161
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Thrusting Spear/Horse
Army General
M-7/WS-5/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-3/I-5/A-2/Ld-9

Army standard Bearer:                              109
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Horse
Army Standard Bearer
M-7/WS-4/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-2/I-5/A-2/Ld-8

Legate A:                                    99
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Thrusting Spear/Horse
(Goes in Catphract Unit)
M-7/WS-5/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-2/I-5/A-2/Ld-8

Legate B:                                    99
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Throwing Spear/Horse
(Goes in Equites Scholae Unit)
M-7/WS-5/BS-3/S-4/T-4/W-2/I-5/A-2/Ld-8


INFANTRY:
24 Legionaries: (L/S/M)                              375
16 Spear
Hand Weapon/Light Armour/Large Shield/Heavy Throwing Spear/Darts      287
8 Archer
Combined Formation                                    88
M-3/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-7

24 Legionaries: (L/S/M)                              375
16 Spear
Hand Weapon/Light Armour/Large Shield/Heavy Throwing Spear/Darts      287
8 Archers
Combined Formation                                       88
M-3/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-7

Auxilia- (L/M/S)                                 267
18 Hand Weapon/Large Shield/Throwing Spear/Darts
Light Infantry
M-5/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-7                                 

14 Archers:                                    112
Hand Weapon/Composite Bow/Buckler
M-5/WS-2/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-3/A-1/Ld-6
Light Infantry
                                 
CAVALRY:
11 Cataphractii- Scholae- Ld8/Drilled: (L/S/M)                  455
Hand Weapon/Cataphract Armour/Full Metal Barding/Kontos
Cataphracts/Drilled
Legate A Attached (Thrusting Spear)
M-6/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-4/A-1/Ld-7

11 Equites- Scholae- Ld8/Drilled: (L/S/M)                     356
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Throwing Spear/Javelins
Drilled
Legate B Attached (Throwing Spear)
M-7/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-4/A-1/Ld-8

12 Equites- Scholae- Ld8/Drilled: (L/S/M)                     387
Hand Weapon/Heavy Armour/Shield/Throwing Spear/Javelins
Drilled
M-7/WS-3/BS-3/S-3/T-3/W-1/I-4/A-1/Ld-8

Total = 2795 Points
« Last Edit: November 14, 2021, 05:19:39 PM by Atheling »

Offline Tim Haslam

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Re: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2021, 07:04:44 PM »
I feel your pain matey.
Itíll look really nice when itís painted though!
Lol.

Heís my take, but from a purely playing WAB perspective.
You could decrease the numbers in the legionary units, to say 20?
However you loose a figure shooting if itís only 5 to a rank?
So failing that, is it possible to field archers separate from legionaries?

Iíd take more allied cavalry, which is possibly cheaper?
OR if you want to keep the choice youíve made, then make the Equites drilled rather than the cataphract unit. Open order AND drilled is very, VERY good.
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Offline SteveBurt

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Re: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2021, 07:14:36 PM »
Why have the legionaries got heavy throwing spears? Thatís early empire, not late

Offline Atheling

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Re: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2021, 07:39:28 PM »
I feel your pain matey.
Itíll look really nice when itís painted though!
Lol.

I'm giving myself three months, the time of The Analogue Hobbies Painting Challenge to get it done so maybe not  lol

Heís my take, but from a purely playing WAB perspective.
You could decrease the numbers in the legionary units, to say 20?

Three ranks only in WAB 2 Tim so they would have to be in 21's or 14's with 7 archers. Also, historically this is more often than not how they fought ;) :)

So failing that, is it possible to field archers separate from legionaries?

See list at the top of the page :)

Iíd take more allied cavalry, which is possibly cheaper?
OR if you want to keep the choice youíve made, then make the Equites drilled rather than the cataphract unit. Open order AND drilled is very, VERY good.

I could get rid of the Cats in the second list and go for either Foaderati or Goth allies.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2021, 10:00:10 PM by Atheling »

Offline Atheling

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Re: Warhammer Ancient Battles V.2 Late Roman List for Scrutiny 2800pts
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2021, 07:43:08 PM »
Why have the legionaries got heavy throwing spears? Thatís early empire, not late

It's both.

The Spiculum a heavy throwing spear based on the Angon came into use by Late Roman Legionaries in about 25OAD and was used to to about 400 AD when it fell out of favour.

So, fine for the Battle of Strasbourg bit no good for the Battle of the Catalaunian Plains/Fields.

 

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