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Online Tim Haslam

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Saitic Egyptian armies?
« on: September 16, 2023, 11:25:52 PM »
Ok,
So what figures do I use in 28mm for Kushite forces around 600BC?

Yup, weíve got some from Warlord and Footsore.
But when Iím searching Iím also finding references to Nubian warriors?
Could I use Nubian figures? That opens up some possibilitiesÖ

Ideally Iíd like to convert some plastics, like WG Zulu figures, but would this be too far away in terms of accuracy?

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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2023, 11:37:14 PM »
Yes, Nubians would be fine. I wouldn't use Zulus as their shields, body ornamentations and hairstyles are too distinctly 'Zulu', whereas Nubians/Kushites are fairly interchangeable.
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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2023, 06:35:53 AM »
I'm guessing that most "Nubian" ranges are contemporaneous with Egypt circa 1200BC. Hence the question is did styles of dress and weaponry change in 600 years?

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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2023, 07:24:52 AM »
The thing is, in my game system, there seems to be a Ďgapí in Egyptian history.

Iíve got Kushite, up to 600BC.
Then a gap,
Then Successor Egyptians from 300BC.

Unfortunately for me, Iíve got an interest in that gap!
Iíve built up a lovely early Persian force and would like some contemporary opponents. Or auxiliary troops.
The only reference Iíve got are Egyptian marines.
(See photo)

So Iím kind of drifting from Kushite into Egypt.

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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2023, 10:13:49 AM »
So, Saitic Egyptian? Not sure many figure choices out there.

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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2023, 12:51:54 PM »
I will need to find army lists for Saitic Egyptians.
They are not an option for WAB, currently.

My main interest is the battle of Thymbra 546BC
Cyrus Vs the Lydians.

Quite a few Egyptians on the Lydian side, obviously absorbed into the new Persian empire afterwards.
So of course it got me thinking about Egyptian armies that may have fought the Persians and Lydians?

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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2023, 12:55:41 PM »
Iíve found it!

I had it all along in my old WRG 6th edition army lists!
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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2023, 01:54:38 PM »
The thing is, in my game system, there seems to be a Ďgapí in Egyptian history.

Iíve got Kushite, up to 600BC.
Then a gap,
Then Successor Egyptians from 300BC.

Unfortunately for me, Iíve got an interest in that gap!
Iíve built up a lovely early Persian force and would like some contemporary opponents. Or auxiliary troops.
The only reference Iíve got are Egyptian marines.
(See photo)

So Iím kind of drifting from Kushite into Egypt.

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Re: Kushite armies?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2023, 02:10:23 PM »
I used to own a unit of the Vendel marines, years ago.
Theyíre still nice figures today.

Iíve got a cunning plan for theseÖ.

Plus Iíve found a proxy list in WAB that I can make very few modifications too.

This thread has evolved from Kushite to Saitic Egyptians! Lol

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Re: Saitic Egyptian armies?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2023, 02:54:33 PM »
Changed my title now Iíve gone off on a tangent.

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Re: Saitic Egyptian armies?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2023, 02:58:55 PM »
I am really interested in what you find out about the "Use of Chariots" during the Saitic Period. 
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Re: Saitic Egyptian armies?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2023, 09:26:05 PM »
For that, Iím afraid youíll need a far greater historical reference than me!  lol

Having a 40 year old army list from WRG is doing Ďresearchí in my book..

For which I should add, that the Saitic list does allow both heavy and light chariots?

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Re: Saitic Egyptian armies?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2023, 11:30:45 PM »
Here's some information on Kush, maybe it will help drag you back south again.  ;)

https://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/21602-the-kingdom-of-kush-a-proper-introduction-illustrated/


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Re: Saitic Egyptian armies?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2023, 08:45:32 AM »
If you are looking for more sources Simon Miller's book of ancient army lists has several Egyptian and "Nubian" lists of the period. Robert Morkot's "The Black Pharoahs; Egypts Nubian Rulers" is a good read but is now over 20 years old so I don't know if it is viewed as too dated.  Osprey's MAA volume "Rome's Enemies (5) The Desert Frontier" has some nice plates but is of course from a later period.

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Re: Saitic Egyptian armies?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2023, 07:54:58 PM »
Donít forget your Greek and Carian mercenary hoplites in Saite service. They seemed to have been an important factor in unifying Egypt under the dynasty, and in maintaining control afterward, since they were not subject to conflicting local allegiances. I expect they also provided some of the heaviest infantry in later field armies.

 

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