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Offline Khmorg

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White Russians 1918
« on: December 22, 2023, 02:39:07 PM »
White. The banner was conditionally taken by the 42nd Troitsky Rifle Regiment. The goal is to make an ordinary, non-elite unit of the volunteer army of the south of Russia. A metal figurine of a white soldier Coplestone (most likely made based on the Chapaev film) is shown for comparison

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Offline Orctrader

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2023, 03:04:30 PM »
They look good.  Will they ever be up for sale or is it just a personal project?

I'm Reading this at the moment.

Great though your figures are, will there be any in firing poses?  Mr Copplestone doesn't do many either.  Difficult to create a firing line.


Offline Khmorg

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2023, 03:35:57 PM »
https://humus.livejournal.com/7645324.html

I use photos for inspiration.

These are test figures. If a decision is made, they will be replicated. But that's in the future

Offline carlos marighela

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2023, 07:15:52 PM »
Very nice!
Em dezembro de '81
Botou os ingleses na roda
3 a 0 no Liverpool
Ficou marcado na história
E no Rio não tem outro igual
Só o Flamengo é campeão mundial
E agora seu povo
Pede o mundo de novo

Offline marianas_gamer

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2023, 11:13:52 PM »
I like these very much! Nice dynamic poses.  :-* :-*
Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2023, 05:34:05 AM »
Orctrader, good call on the Beevor book. I have it in my reading stash. I heard Beevor talk about it and the RCW at the Chalke Valley History Festival. His view was that the Bolsheviks won because they proved to be "bigger murdering bas***ds" than the other lot of "murdering bas***ds"! One of my 2024 projects is to dig out my Copplestone Red Army and build a force of White opponents. I also need to find a decent set of rules.

Offline Freddy

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2023, 10:16:17 AM »
Splendid sculpting work, as always :)

Offline trev

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2023, 03:17:28 PM »
These are very nice.

Offline Von Stroheim

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2023, 03:38:10 PM »
Really like these - hope they are available commercially.

Offline Khmorg

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2023, 05:22:21 PM »
Thank you guys for your kind words and attention to this project.
These are test figures. If a decision is made to replicate these figures, then a project with many figures will be launched.

In the civil war in Russia there are many versions of what happened, from everyday to conspiracy theories. There were honest soldiers of the Red Army and noble warriors of the White Army, but there were also robbers on both sides.

I can tell the story of one friend. His grandmother said that she saw the times of the revolution.
"....white Cossacks arrived in the village. The officer said..You are all rebels and you need to be flogged, but I forgive you....

They sat down to drink vodka, then they were drawn to the women.... the men of the village stood up and were killed... when the whites left... the villagers consulted and decided to go to the reds...."

I think that was the case. The Reds were able to build a state...the Whites were never able to unite due to contradictions.....

Offline Mark Plant

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2023, 08:55:11 PM »
I've read a lot of RCW histories, and Beevor's is the one most focused on the sheer wanton slaughter, especially by the Reds. I already know what it going to happen, but I still found the amount of bloodshed quite depressing.

Offline cuprum

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2023, 04:24:20 AM »
I haven’t read Beaver, and I can’t say anything about his book, but the reason for the massacre lies in the fact that problems and conflicts in Russian society, and with them hatred, have been accumulating for centuries. And peasant society (Russia at that time was overwhelmingly an agrarian country) was extremely patriarchal; grievances in families were remembered for centuries. Serfdom alone “heated the cauldron of hatred” for centuries (not counting thousands of other, big and small problems)... And the time came when this cauldron exploded. And everyone began to settle scores with everyone, increasing the number of those offended and drawing more and more people into the whirlpool of violence.
What is good about democracy is that it is a valve for releasing pressure in the “boiler”. Otherwise...
The Bolsheviks, in my opinion, turned out to be the only force that was able to tame the raging elements, and even offer an attractive project for the future. The Whites did not offer anything, postponing the decision until later, after the end of the war (and could not offer it, since they presented projects that were completely alternative to each other, and were united solely by the fight against a common enemy).

Dima, the figures are good, but... There are still a lot of untapped armies and unique units for this period of history... Why make new figures that repeat the same theme over and over again? This condemns the manufacturer to low demand in advance.
With this banner, the figures are perfect for the army of Admiral Kolchak. The Troitsky Regiment was created and fought on the Eastern Front.
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Offline Khmorg

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2023, 03:28:52 PM »
Dima, the figures are good, but... There are still a lot of untapped armies and unique units for this period of history... Why make new figures that repeat the same theme over and over again? This condemns the manufacturer to low demand in advance.
With this banner, the figures are perfect for the army of Admiral Kolchak. The Troitsky Regiment was created and fought on the Eastern Front.

Everything is simpler.
Whites are immediately made into elites. Regiment of Markov or Drozdov.
I wanted to make those soldiers who were not celebrities, but who were the majority.
I couldn’t find the banners of the ordinary regiments... so I decided to use the name of the 46th regiment...

Offline cuprum

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2023, 03:38:05 PM »
But all the differences were only in the colors of the fabric and sometimes some small emblems (Kornilovites). As long as the figure is not painted, there is no difference.

Offline Khmorg

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Re: White Russians 1918
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2023, 07:11:21 PM »
But all the differences were only in the colors of the fabric and sometimes some small emblems (Kornilovites). As long as the figure is not painted, there is no difference.
It is not that simple. I thought so too.

Here is a photo. Kharkov 1918. General Maimaevsky inspects a soldier.
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Here is a photo of soldiers and officers of Kolchak’s army

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Agree that these are very differently equipped soldiers

 :D


 

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