Robin Hood - "Final Plan" on page four 4/22/2024 US Style

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I 'think' I resolved my dilemma.  I can just use figures from my Normans to give Richard a couple of foot units and one for John - heck, I even have a cavalry unit I can give John - and three of the four units that will fit what I want are already painted!  Might have to do some rebasing, though.

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Been back tinkering on this collection and this evening I sorted the Robin Hood side of the collection as in matching existing figures to the plan.  Still working on the Sheriff side of the collection - and just might be a little short of the non-combatant figures I'm hoping to include.  Probably live without but we shall see, still a good deal of 'exploring' to do in the existing in-house figures before deciding.

I now have 30 named warriors and another 36 unnamed warriors, 12 named women and another 12 unnamed women, 6 named servants and/or counselors and another 6 unnamed same, and 6 named clerics and 6 unnamed clerics. 

Was hoping to add another 36 unarmed villagers with 24 of them being women and children but that is where I might be light on figures, can probably get together 36 villagers but might be more men than women.  I really want to get more women to balance out the ratio of men to women a bit; I want the local village(s?) to look properly lived in.  I might get there with what I have but if not then I need to decide if I want to order some more figures which I'm trying hard to avoid.

If I get the 36 unnamed villagers sorted out to my satisfaction that would yield 150 people plus 14 horses and dismounts for the 14 mounted figures included above. 

All of the unnamed figures will be 3 to a base on round 1 1/4" bases, all the named get individually based on 3/4" round bases or 1" bases for the mounted versions.

One big step forward.

Quick edit: while hunting for options in case short, I was reminded I have an excess of Peter Pig's AWI civilians and some others that I can adapt to my medieval groupings - might not be a perfect fit but with the right paint jobs and maybe some minor modification I think they will work.

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I now have all the bases prepared and labelled - either with names where appropriate or a description of some sort.  Also decided to name the unarmed civilian mounted men [8] and women (4) which adds 12 to the number of named folk, counting named horses (10, pack horses and 'empty' horses only) and named dogs (13) that yields a nice round 160 named figures.  The following "paste" may not translate as well here as it does in my word processing program with its color coding but I will do some adjusting that might help.  Figures in bold have both a mounted and dismounted version.  Named figures are one to a base, unnamed figures are three to a base.  So, here is the Final Plan for figures with all the Named Figures shown - less some vignettes like people cooking or blacksmithing which will be multiple period use as will most of the civilians listed below:

ROBIN HOOD CONTINGENT
Named figures individually based, unnamed warriors/others are 3 to a base:

6.0 Robin Hood, Will ‘Billy’ Stutley, Ulric + 3 more longbowmen (6)

0.3 Lady Marian (Robin’s lady), Maerwynn, Wren (her two ladies-in-waiting)

4.2 Slean, Offa (Robin), Duncan (Robin) + 3 more spearmen (4)

0.6 Joan Rye (pledged to give her life for Robin), Alice (Little John’s woman), Elga + 3 women

6.0 Akeem, Hamza, Jabir + 3 more swordsmen (6)

0.6 Yasmina (Azeem’s love interest), Zenith, Najma (her companions) + 3 women //33      
16.17      
16 warriors (3 mtd), 15 women (1 mtd), 1 counselor, 0 clerics, 1 servant=16 figures +17=33

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6.0 Little John, Ox, Bull + 3 more staff-men (6)

4.5 Friar Tuck, Francis, Dominic + 3 clerics + 3 staff-men (4)

6.0 Will Scarlet, Wulf, Alden + 3 more swordsmen (6)

6.0 Much the Miller’s son, Cedric, Egbert + 3 more swordsmen (6)

6.0 Alan-a-Dale, Grindan, Hollis + 3 more longbowmen (1* + 5)      

0.6 Caedmon, Benwock, Orvynn + 3 clerics             //39            
28.11      
28 warriors (5 mtd), 0 women, 0 counselors, 11 clerics (1 mtd) 0 servants=28 figures +11=39

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6.3 King Richard, Philip (his son), Baldwin + 3 servants + 3 more swordsman (6)

4.2  Scrydan, Merlin (the King), Skar (the King) + 3 mace-men (1 sword-3 mace)

0.9 Berengaria (King John’s wife), Odelia (her lady-in-waiting) Guinevere (the king’s mistress)
   + 3 women and + 3 women

6.0 Larcwide, Kenric, Bearn + 3 crossbowmen (6)

6.3 Montgomery Longstride (Robin’s half-brother), Grimbold, Andwearde + 3 servants
   + 3 more warriors (1 sword-5 bow)
4.2 Dreogan, Pendragon (Montgomery), Tobrecan (Montgomery) + 3 spearmen (6)//39
26.19
16+28+26=70      17+11+19=47.  117   
26 warriors (5 mtd), 9 women, 10 counselors, 0 clerics, 0 servants=26+19=45

70 warriors total (31 named), 24 women (12), 23 unarmed men (12) (Friar Tuck counts as armed -staff)
(54 of 117 named) — 12 servants, counselors / 11 clerics (6 named / 6 named-Tuck as warrior)
117 people, 14 horses, 14 dismounts = 145 pieces  (70 warriors, 47 unarmed)
All 14 mounted figures (underscored) have a ‘matching’ dismounted figure
SHERIFF OF NOTTINGHAM CONTINGENT:
Named figures individually based, unnamed warriors/others are 3 to a base:

6.0 Robert de Rainault the Sheriff of Nottingham, Wybert, Wido (enforcer) +3 swords (6)   

0.3 Louvel, Perceval, Oswald the tax collector (3 servants, counselors)

0.6 Mortiana (witch), Macey (evil mistress), Adeline +3 women

6.0 Sir Guy of Gisborne, Talbot, Slade   + 3 spears (6)

6.0 Sir Godfrey, Giles, Haveron. + 1 sword, 2 crossbow (6.5 crossbow) //
18.9
18 warrirors (3 mtd), 6 women, 3 counselors, 0 clerics, 0 servants=18+9=27

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0.6 William de Vere the Bishop of Hereford, Leotold, Tanchelm +3 clerics

0.6 Prior Vincent of Emmet, Pietro, Jacopo + 3 clerics

6.0 Captain Ralph of Huntington, Pridbor, Rene +1 club, 2 staff (6. 3 mace)

0.6 Stefan the Niedre de Mort, Tadg, Fedelma (female)   +3 more druids

6.0 Einar, Bjorn, Harald   +3 bow (6) //
12.18
12 warriors, 1 woman, 0 counselors, 12 clerics, 0 servants, 2 druids*=12+18=30

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6.3 Prince John, Arlotto (henchman), Baynard   +3 swords (6)   
                  +3 servants, counselors

0.6 Morgana (prince’s mistress), Isabella (prince’s wife), Simone  +3 women

6.0 Baldice, Wandrille, Polydor   +3 spear (6)

6.0 Tancred, Laud, Henri   +1 sword, 2 bow (6. 5 bow)

0.6 Nora de l’Aigle (infamous courtesan), Everill, Veronica  +3 women
18.15
18+12+18=48      9+18+15=42.    90
18 warriors, 12 women,  3 counselors, 0 clerics, 0 servants=18=33

48 warriors (24 named), 19 women (10), 23 unarmed men (11) =48+42=90 (45 named of 90)
— 6 servants, counselors / 12 clerics / 5 druids (+1 woman druid)
90 people + 12 horses + 12 dismounts = 114 pieces (48 warriors, 42 unarmed)
All 12 mounted figures (underscored) have a ‘matching’ dismounted figure






COMBINED CONTINGENTS:

70+48= 118 warriors      31 named, 24 named..55
24+19= 43 women      12 named, 10 named..22
20+23 = 43 unarmed men   12, named, 11 named..23 — 55 named, 45 named  = 100
204 people + 26 horses + 26 dismounts = 256 pieces

ROBIN HOOD CONTINGENT:

31 named warriors, 39 unnamed warriors (3 to a base)
12 named women, 12 unnamed women (3 to a base)
6 named servants/counselors, 6 unnamed servants/counselors (3 to a base)
6 named clerics, 6 unnamed clerics (3 to a base)
14 horses, 14 dismounts

Named figures (54) on individual bases
Unnamed figures (63) are three figures to a base (21 bases)
All fourteen mounted figures have a dismounted figure as well (all on individual bases)

SHERIFF OF NOTTINGHAM CONTINGENT:

24 named warriors, 24 unnamed warriors (3 to a base)
10 named women, 9 unnamed women (3 to a base)
3 named servants/counselors, 3 unnamed servants/counselors (3 to a base)
6 named clerics, 6 unnamed clerics (3 to a base)
3 named druids, 3 unnamed druids (1 named druid is a woman) (3 to a base)
12 horses, 12 dismounts

Named figures (45) on individual bases
Unnamed figures (45) are three figures to a base (15 bases)
All twelve mounted figures have a dismounted figure as well (all on individual bases)

CIVILIANS:
Monastery:
Cormac, Dara, Fergal, Killian, Niall, Senan + 6 unnamed (6 + 2 bases)

Convent:
Beatrice, Celestine, Clotilda, Genevieve, Gisela, Mathilda + 6 unnamed (6 + 2 bases)

Villagers:
Pack horse handlers and pack horses:
Bardi: Aksel / Dagbjart: Bo / Fanal: Erva / Svartur: Helve (4 + 4 bases)

Dog keeper names and dog names (2 per handler):
Alaric: Ake, Astrid / Bahram: Baldur, Bein / Drogo: Freya, Frode
Gerold:  Holdfast, Loki / Lothar: Hagan, Nosewise / Osric: Olaf, Revna
Lorcan: Ulf (dog attacking master) (7 + 12 bases)

24 women - Robin
19 women - Sheriff

12 nuns
34 women - 23 children
46 (89) + 23 = 69 (112) women and children + 4 mounted women/4 horses (116 total)
  6 Druids (12 standing stones - includes sacrificial victim)
12 clerics
18 middle level men
18 workmen
18 workmen
72 + 8 mounted men/8 horses / 6 extra horses without riders (80 total)
46 women + 23 children + 72 unarmed men + 4 mounted women + 8 mounted men (+4 +8 horses)
153 + 11 pack (4 horses) men and dog handlers = 164 people Civilians, 16 horses, 13 dogs
Mounted unarmed civilians: Adriana, Isold, Odilia, Trie; Dagmar, Henryk, Knut, Ludolf, Norbert, Saxbert, Tiago, Wago
57 women and children
12 nuns
12 clerics
 6 druids
11 men - 4 horse handlers/4 pack horses // 9 men/13 dogs
54 men
152 + 12 mounted/12 horses unarmed mounted civilians unnamed , 4 pack horses, 13 dogs
                              = 176 pieces
Horse names: Baucent-white socks, Carbonel-coal black, Fauvel-tawny
Girsart-gray, Marchegai-proud walker, Sombra-shadow (for the six ‘empty’ horses)
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Additional Warriors (based 3 to a base except heros at 1 to a base):
12 longbowmen            6 Robin   6    Sheriff
6 swordsmen                        6 Sheriff
6 spears                        6 Sheriff
6 leaders (2 staff, 2 standards, 2 horns)    3 Robin       3 Sheriff
3 heros (2 ax, 1 sword)   (2 heros & 1 anti-hero)   1 (ax - Roland)      2 (ax, sword)
                  10      23   (Hengist, Medraut)
33 total (10 + 3 individual stands)

“CAVALRY” individually based, half to Robin (King), half to Sheriff (Prince)

12 mounted men, 12 horses: fully barded
12 mounted men, 12 horses: half-barded or no barding

33 foot, 24 mounted, 24 horses = 81 pieces
70+10=80. 48+23=71.  80+12=92.  71+12=83. …175 Warriors, foot and mounted.
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80 (32 named) versus 71 (26 named) / Robin versus Sheriff warriors plus additional warriors on foot or 92 versus 83 counting the mounted additional warriors (1+2 heroes)
Approximations:
Robin          145 pieces (117)          [14+14=28] [horse and dismount]
Sheriff          114 pieces (90)         [12+12=24]   “   “
Civilians       199 pieces (164)          [4+13+12+6=35] [pack+dog+horse+horse]
Added Warriors    81 pieces (57)         [24] [horses, added warriors mounted]
           539 (428 people)         111
539 total pieces to paint men (316), women (89), children (23), horses (72), dogs (13), dismounts (26)
            (includes babes and children in arm as single casting with mother)
126 named men and women, 10 named horses, 13 named dogs = 149 named total

Does not include wagons and carts and draft animals or farm animals or additional herders, etc.
All of the civilians have triple use: Robin Hood, Jousting, or Three Musketeers
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I hear some of you asking, "Who the heck needs 428 people for a Robin Hood game?!"  Perfectly fine question.  No good reason but I have them so I'm going to use them - though I've knocked out A LOT of figures, mostly armed, that were in place previously.  So not as bad as it might have been as far as excessive - but still, clearly, a bit excessive.  The three figures to a base will help a lot with managing that many figures and generally no one player will have to handle more than about 35-40 bases in total (games with 6 players). 

What about those 0.0 numbers?  That is warriors versus non-warriors for each line of the Robin and Sheriff contingents.

It might reveal an oddity in my personality but I had fun sourcing all those names - and trying hard to keep them more or less appropriate for the period - a job made so much easier by the internet.

Need to look through my period appropriate casualties and decide if I want to add some in - if so I'll need to ready some additional bases, have plenty on hand if needed.

There seems to be something about this period/collection that reaches deep into my hobby joy.  No idea why.  Just does.

edit: Many of the civilians will have quadruple use - also use for Vikings!

[Hitman]

I have been painting medieval peasants. Old Glory have a pack of Revolting Women and Children. 30 figures in a pack. Although the brooms and other household tools are raised, they are easy to convert to sweeping and cutting grain, etc. Not the greatest figures but they will work for what you might need. I bought several packs ages ago but have been painting them up this month for my medieval, viking and LOTR games. Your thoughts going into this game is impressive. Good luck.
Regards
Hitman
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Hitman, thanks for the information on the Old Glory civilians.  Fortunately, I found enough figures in my own collection to build the list above and with 24, 19, and 34 women and 23 children, plus the 12 nuns and 4 mounted unarmed women providing 116 total women and children out of 428 people, or just over 27% of the people, I am pleased with the balance.  Then there are those unarmed men, the clerics, servants, and counselors with Robin or the Sheriff, and then the male villagers as well, and I am set and 'looking pretty' as far as people go.  Might add a vignette item here or there above what I already have if I find something really cool plus those leading carts and wagons (or driving them) but I don't really need any more people.

Might add some more buildings - like a convent and a monastery (see thread here) but I have most of what I need on that front.

In point of fact, except for some much hoped for new species for my East Africa setup, I don't need to buy a single figure for any of my too many periods.  For all intents and purposes, I am done collecting except for the - perhaps - new figures that come along that enhance what I already have.  And even then I will give second and third thought to it.  I am actively reducing many of my over-sized collections to more reasonable numbers; granted it is my version of 'reasonable' but reducing nonetheless.

Just not here with Robin Hood as listed - but that list is already greatly reduced as mentioned above in this thread.