[Commercial] Leviathan: Lords of Havoc - a new 10mm mass combat game

[Seb]

Hi folks!

We have a great announcement!

Leviathan: Lords of Havoc



Leviathan: Lords of Havoc is a 10mm scale tabletop wargame which enables you fight large scale battles full of awesome devastation, clashes of formations, and withering exchanges of firepower. The emphases are on command decisions, strategic placement and manouevering your units to give you the best chance of victory once battle is joined. It would be best if you kept your opponent guessing where and when the hammer blow is going to fall, and at the same time, ensure your army can respond to their advances and assaults. Manoeuvre, assault and occupy strategic locations on the battlefield, and wherever you meet the enemy, destroy them with the application of overwhelming force.

You can download the beta rule for free here:
https://www.seb-games.com/2024/07/18/leviathan-loh-beta-rules/

Leviathan: Lord of Havoc – Battle Vanguard set



Battle Vanguard Set is designed specifically for players to aid in the playtesting of our exciting new tabletop mass combat wargame! This set includes everything you need to immerse yourself in the game and provide valuable feedback. Your participation will help us refine and fine-tune the rules and balance the army lists.

Join us in shaping the future of Leviathan!













Box content:

• Orc Spearmen #1 (4 bases) 48pts
• Orc Spearmen #2 (4 bases) 48pts
• Orc Archers #1 (4 bases) 56pts

Total: 152pts

• Dwarf Guard #1 (4 bases) 40pts
• Dwarf Guard #2 (4 bases) 40pts
• Dwarf Gunners #1 (4 bases) 72pts

Total: 152pts

The set also includes:

• d6 dices
• 24x 30x30mm MDF bases

You can order your copy of the set here:
https://www.seb-games.com/store/leviathan-lords-of-havoc/leviathan-lord-of-havoc-battle-vanguard-set/

Leviathan - Classic 28mm range



We have acquired the Leviathan range of miniatures, bringing this classic collection of miniatures to a new home.
Our website now offers the first batch of classic 28mm Leviathan models. In the following weeks, we will add more packs.
Please forgive us for the quality of the current catalogue pictures. We are working on new ones 🙂.

Cheers,
Seb

[Daeothar]

Interesting. 10mm or smaller is the way to go when playing massed battles I think.

For some reason I've had a small squad of Leviathan miniatures in my lead pile for many, many years. they're sort of chaosy looking with flails and swords. And they're really, really chunky bois too!

I converted one of them into a prehistoric barbarian for an RPG campaign we played well over a decade ago...

Nice to see these back 

[Lost Egg]

Not a game I had heard of before.

Out of interest why the switch from 25mm to 10mm? Or were both scales playable before?

[fred]

Interesting looking figures - are the ranges going to expand?

I’ve had a look at the rules and some feedback
* the double column layout is really hard to read due to the way section breaks have been applied
* the rules don’t feel very mass battle as the suggested scope is 20-25 bases which is around 6 units - this is pretty tiny
* the rules don’t feel very mass battle with all the details in them - eg for combat there are loads of combat modifiers - then you need to pair off dice - all feels very laborious to play

Might not get all this lot on the table at once - but this is what I think of for mass battle in 10mm

[WillPhillips]

On principle, I'm always excited to see more small scale options hit the market. Best of luck with this!

[Seb]

Thanks for your feedback, lads.

For some reason I've had a small squad of Leviathan miniatures in my lead pile for many, many years. they're sort of chaosy looking with flails and swords. And they're really, really chunky bois too!

That sounds cool! They are the Barbarians, and yes, the old Levitahn 28mm minis are definitely on the "chunky" side of the scale
They are still fun to paint.

Not a game I had heard of before.

Out of interest why the switch from 25mm to 10mm? Or were both scales playable before?

The original Leviathan game was 28mm in scale and size, similar to, say, SAGA. We decided to reboot the IP by going 10mm as we wanted to explore the options of big monsters and big battles. And it is also a new system. I hope to get some work on the classic 28mm range done as well, but at the moment our focus is on the 10mm version.

Interesting looking figures - are the ranges going to expand?

I’ve had a look at the rules and some feedback
* the double column layout is really hard to read due to the way section breaks have been applied
* the rules don’t feel very mass battle as the suggested scope is 20-25 bases which is around 6 units - this is pretty tiny
* the rules don’t feel very mass battle with all the details in them - eg for combat there are loads of combat modifiers - then you need to pair off dice - all feels very laborious to play

Thanks! Yes, luckily, the layout is temporary only. I will work on the next updated version and improve it. The final book will have a proper, nice-looking layout.

The total base numbers are currently used as an example. We are testing other sizes, but for a start, we want something that new players can easily manage. It's always problematic with a huge army, as the starting points look very intimidating for newcomers.

It was a decision we made, as we wanted a bit more granular system. But we are open for feedback. Hence, we went public with a beta version of the game    

We are working on new minis, and the current demo set is just an introduction to the range. I'm sure we will showcase more minis in the coming weeks.

Might not get all this lot on the table at once - but this is what I think of for mass battle in 10mm

Nice looking collection! It looks stunning!

Cheers,
Seb

[fred]

Sorry I think I was a bit grumpy in my message the other day.

With the layout - probably putting in some horizontal lines at section breaks would help. There were a few time where I continued reading down, when I should have gone across.

A to mass battle - I think you need to aim for a game that works well for a big game - 20+ units a side. But I get the point of accessibility and ease of starting - so having some options to start with a smaller number of units is good. But there tend to be some fundamental design decisions which make a mass battle game work vs a small scale game. Usually around level of detail and abstraction to make a big game playable in a sensible amount of time.

[Logain77]

Any chance of a picture next to a GW Warmaster mini or a Copplestone 10mm for a sense of how they compare size wise? Or even just a shot against a mm scale?  Minis look really good so far!

[Seb]

Any chance of a picture next to a GW Warmaster mini or a Copplestone 10mm for a sense of how they compare size wise? Or even just a shot against a mm scale? Minis look really good so far!

I'm away from home, but I will be back next week, so I will be able to take comparison photos of minis. I'm not sure why I did not think about it before.
But here are pics of minis next to the ruler. I hope that will help. I will try to take better shots when I'm home, as I don't have good condition at the moment.

Sorry I think I was a bit grumpy in my message the other day.

With the layout - probably putting in some horizontal lines at section breaks would help. There were a few time where I continued reading down, when I should have gone across.

A to mass battle - I think you need to aim for a game that works well for a big game - 20+ units a side. But I get the point of accessibility and ease of starting - so having some options to start with a smaller number of units is good. But there tend to be some fundamental design decisions which make a mass battle game work vs a small scale game. Usually around level of detail and abstraction to make a big game playable in a sensible amount of time.

No worries

It's always a matter of balancing. But from our initial playtest, it works. However, we need more feedback to ensure that the system works.

Mark made some rules updates here and there, so I will make sure that the next version of the rules is more reader-friendly.

From other news

A quick preview of the Dwarven warmachine, as I have received many questions about it since day one.



Cheers,
Seb

[Duncan McDane]

Not into the tiny stuff but good to see Leviathan 28mm is brought back to life! Got quite some models from that game - never played it though - but still look for some figs...

[steders]

A friend of mine had loads of leviathan stuff, I'm sure he bought it from a shop in Darlington, bought their entire stock.
I seem to remember playing it a few times and enjoying it
The 10mm stuff looks interesting

[Seb]

I'm glad to hear that you folks like the 10mm so far.

I did play the original Leviathan many, many moons ago. But as we are currently adding the old 28mm range to our website and I'm taking new photos of models, I plan to give it a go and play the original 28mm version later this month .

Cheers,
Seb

[mictator]

Damn, no 15mm.

[Frostie]

Interesting looking figures - are the ranges going to expand?

I’ve had a look at the rules and some feedback
* the double column layout is really hard to read due to the way section breaks have been applied
* the rules don’t feel very mass battle as the suggested scope is 20-25 bases which is around 6 units - this is pretty tiny
* the rules don’t feel very mass battle with all the details in them - eg for combat there are loads of combat modifiers - then you need to pair off dice - all feels very laborious to play

Might not get all this lot on the table at once - but this is what I think of for mass battle in 10mm

Great looking collection!

I have the same vision of mass battle but in 15mm

[Frostie]

Good luck with this project.

I do love the look of the minis but I mass battle in 15mm...shame your minis wont match my collection...