WW2 Heer Army/Volksgrenadiers - Camouflage Over trousers ?

[Billythefish]

Apologies but I have been driving myself demented trying to get clarify on this via internet photos - my impression is we probably "do not know".

I am currently working my way through Empress Volksgrenadiers;

I am painting them primarily with Sumpfmuster 43
Some will also have the Splittermuster pattern on, especially with duplicate figures, my artillary and mortar crews.

This okay so far? Just I then intend on attending some Sumpfmuster 44 re the more tan version in the same units.

Firstly would these be often mixed in main German army units, I have had great difficulty finding many photos of them other than most troops wearing 43 pattern?

Secondly were camouflage over trousers that rare I should not really be representing them? Or is the correct answer we don't know? I have painted a few of my dudes in with camo trousers but am contemplating painting over them in fieldgrau if this is the most accurate depiction?

Hope this makes sense any constructive feedback appreciated

[Mick_in_Switzerland]

Winter jackets and over-trousers were made in Sumpfmuster 43 and 44 and Splittermuster so all the variants you mention existed.

I suspect that camouflage cotton trousers got damaged more than plain wool trousers, so feldgrau trousers would be more common.

My book may be helpful.
https://www.crowood.com/products/modelling-and-painting-world-war-ii-german-military-figures-by-michael-farnworth?_pos=1&_psq=farnworth&_ss=e&_v=1.0

[Billythefish]

Winter jackets and over-trousers were made in Sumpfmuster 43 and 44 and Splittermuster so all the variants you mention existed.

I suspect that camouflage cotton trousers got damaged more than plain wool trousers, so feldgrau trousers would be more common.

My book may be helpful.
https://www.crowood.com/products/modelling-and-painting-world-war-ii-german-military-figures-by-michael-farnworth?_pos=1&_psq=farnworth&_ss=e&_v=1.0

Many thanks - I have had a right old trawl around the net but it mostly seems to be re-enactors that mix up the camo patterns (which implies it probably historically accurate!).

I think ill probably paint out the ones I have done on the guys with longer gaiters and re the people wearing long baggy trousers leave them camo

[CapnJim]

Timely discussion here, as I have a squad of 28mm Volksgrenadiers all primed and ready to paint...

[Billythefish]

So I painted out most of the camo trousers- I think defo rifgt direction,  excluding winter Germans in white trousers and Waffen SS units over trousers in Heer Army do not seem that bothered with. I think they also look a bit rag tag para military with the camo trousers going on

[CapnJim]

Nice work on them fellers! 

[carlos marighela]

The Germans came into possession of large quantities of Italian M1929 telo mimetico camouflage material in 1943, mostly groundsheets/ ponchos and it was made up into all kinds of gear, jackets, helmet covers, overtrousers even caps. The SS in Normandy were big users of the pattern but there are plenty of extant photos of Wehrmacht usage. Another option to mix and match in.

[CapnJim]

The Germans came into possession of large quantities of Italian M1929 telo mimetico camouflage material in 1943, mostly groundsheets/ ponchos and it was made up into all kinds of gear, jackets, helmet covers, overtrousers even caps. The SS in Normandy were big users of the pattern but there are plenty of extant photos of Wehrmacht usage. Another option to mix and match in.

Interesting.  I forgot about that.  I'll keep that in mind as I paint up my VG Gruppe...

[Billythefish]

The Germans came into possession of large quantities of Italian M1929 telo mimetico camouflage material in 1943, mostly groundsheets/ ponchos and it was made up into all kinds of gear, jackets, helmet covers, overtrousers even caps. The SS in Normandy were big users of the pattern but there are plenty of extant photos of Wehrmacht usage. Another option to mix and match in.

Yes it looks very straightforwards too - no expert but potentially a good option for making mulit-purpose troop types, given Heer and SS units (amongst others!) used it - i quite fancy some for my dismounted panzer crew when they arrive.