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Offline Hammers

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Re: Madagascar natives
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2009, 07:55:55 AM »
I shouldn't have mentioned it! You'd have to look pretty hard to tell the difference between a 28mm flintlock and matchlock.  ;)

You think, seriously? To me that's the real divider between Renaissance and Baroque .

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Re: Madagascar natives
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2009, 08:44:47 AM »
So are you sating the difference between the 'renaissance' and the 'baroque' is whether one can light one's fuse or still manage to cock one's hammer? How do thoe with hair triggers fit in?
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Re: Madagascar natives
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2009, 12:10:16 PM »
a small clarification here, rough and not very detailed:

Lock               invented            general military use                discontinued
Matchlock            1400                  1440 – 1720                            - 1870
Wheellock            1500                 never (banned)                        ? 1600 ?
Snaplock              1540                  - 1640                                     - 19th C
Snaphance           1550                  - 1680                                     - 1750
Flintlock               1610                 1620 – 1840                             today

"Renaissance" denotes many things, including an artistic period 14th C to 16th C (but not uniformly covered in different European countries) as well as a cultural movement 14th to 17th C. The use of the term as historical period is much disputed.

"Baroque" denotes an artistic period from late 16th C to early 18th C, it is not covered in every country during the same period and also not undisputed due to overlapping with late Renaissance (Mannerism) in the beginning and Classicism in the end. There is also Neo Baroque in the 19th C. It is generally related with the artistic need involved with counter-reformation campaign of the catholic church.


I hope it should be clear that it is difficult to draw lines here, since history is a fluid.

However, since the representation of firearm locks in miniature was referred to, I very much agree that it is dificult to see a difference between matchlock, snaplock, flintlock and even percussion lock. All feature a snake-shaped lever that ignites the powder. And finally a wide mixture of firearms was used, especially in technically low developed regions without access to industrialized weapon manufacture.

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Re: Madagascar natives
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2009, 12:51:06 PM »
As mentioned, in 28mm, the only noticeable difference tends to be not in the representation of the type of firing mechanism on the musket, but in the accoutrements of the matchlock musketeer - typically bandolier with 'apostles' charges, plus coils of matchcord etc - items not present on a flintlock armed figure.

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Re: Madagascar natives
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 01:03:12 PM »
exactly....
it is the context

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Re: Madagascar natives
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 06:40:04 AM »
I think that a mix of Zanzibaris & Baluchis with Malay, Thai, and Dyaks would represent the population at this time very well. Africans at this time would only have been those arriving in the company of seafaring traders. Look at natives from the Indian ocean/South Pacific enemies & allies of early Dutch/Spanish explorers.
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