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Author Topic: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?  (Read 2788 times)

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Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« on: June 17, 2010, 12:37:33 PM »
I've been looking at some RCW memorabilia on ebay and other places and to me it looks like there is quite a fetish demand for Kornilov shock troop gear and badges. is there any connection between these symbols and a facist movment in modern Russia?

There are obviously even more Soviet stuff in circulation, and it has been so since the wall was torn down, but the appeal seems to be more on the kitsch side of things.

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 05:42:41 PM »
Skulls? - Yes
Black Uniforms? - Yes
Warcrimes? - Probably a few

What is not to like if you're a young fascist looking for a new role model?


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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 05:54:10 PM »
Hard to tell from a distance

My impression is that there exists a strong revisionist movement in Russia that associates Tsarism nostalgia with the White Russian RCW movement - and this is definitely a nationalist mix - see the Kolchak movie sponsored by the Government, the reintroduction of Cossack units and uniforms into the army etc.
Putin needs a glue to fix his country

if that spills over into faschism - there is a hypothetical chance for that, but not a must

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 03:39:58 AM »
Faschism to Russia (nationalism) - is its guaranteed destruction. In Russia there live the people more than 150 nationalities. Almost half of population of the country - the people which are traditionally practising Islam аnd Buddhism. Any nationalism at the state level will lead here to serious collisions on a national and religious basis.
Certainly, the government in Russia searches for possibility to rally the people, to give it new ideology. And now do an emphasis on eulogy to-revolutionary Russia. There is a propagation of White movement in Civil war. The Soviet past is taught only in a negative kind, except for defeat of nazi Germany in the Second World War.
From here and popularity of various attributes of White movement.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2010, 12:15:03 PM by cuprum »

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 06:16:38 AM »
Thanks, cuprum.

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 11:00:54 AM »
The symbolics of the Kornilovsky regiment occurs from symbolics of Revolutionary Shock battalions of Russian army which have been formed of volunteers, and should battle on the most dangerous and responsible sectors of the front. These battalions have been formed after February (bourgeois) revolution of 1917 in Russia. "The skull and bones ", often applied colours for flags and attributes - red and black became a symbol of these parts.
  The symbol "the Skull and bones" is taken from orthodox icons where it means fugacity of corporal existence and an eternal life of soul, a combination of red and black colour - means the motto " Victory - or death". Soldiers of such battalions swore either to be lost, or to battle to a victory.
 After October (socialist) revolution - these military units, basically, have opposed Bolshiviks and their allies. The Kornilovsky regiment has been created from soldiers of such battalions, and has reserved this symbolics.
  So it is an interesting episode - the White Kornilovsky regiment carries symbolics of REVOLUTIONARY Shock divisions!  ::)

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 11:40:22 AM »
The symbolics of the Kornilovsky regiment occurs from symbolics of Revolutionary Shock battalions of Russian army which have been formed of volunteers, and should battle on the most dangerous and responsible sectors of the front. These battalions have been formed after February (bourgeois) revolution of 1917 in Russia. "The skull and bones ", often applied colours for flags and attributes - red and black became a symbol of these parts.
  The symbol "the Skull and bones" is taken from orthodox icons where it means fugacity of corporal existence and an eternal life of soul, a combination of red and black colour - means the motto " Victory - or death". Soldiers of such battalions swore either to be lost, or to battle to a victory.
 After October (socialist) revolution - these military units, basically, have opposed Bolshiviks and their allies. The Kornilovsky regiment has been created from soldiers of such battalions, and has reserved this symbolics.
  So it is an interesting episode - the White Kornilovsky regiment carries symbolics of REVOLUTIONARY Shock divisions!  ::)

Yes, that part I also got from my literature. Very much inspired by religious piety.

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 05:46:14 AM »
I've been looking at some RCW memorabilia on ebay and other places and to me it looks like there is quite a fetish demand for Kornilov shock troop gear and badges. is there any connection between these symbols and a facist movment in modern Russia?

There is a large re-enactment movement in Russia too, which may help sales. They seem to prefer Whites and Cossacks to Reds for the Civil War era, but I would not read too much into that. The uniforms are better and the lack of firm political positioning by the anti-Bolshevik forces probably helps different people come together.

The 1914-1916 period has just as many interested Russians, without linking it to a Monarchist movement.

I suspect most of the RCW memorabilia is fake, by the way.

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Re: Kornilov memorabilia and facism?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2010, 07:47:42 AM »

I suspect most of the RCW memorabilia is fake, by the way.

Thats obvious from most pictures.

 

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