New Look Of 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea?

[ushistoryprof]

I own the books, they're sitting on my bookshelf. I rarely use Wiki as well, full of lies. 

Oh how true, how true.

[Gluteus Maximus]

Oh how true, how true.

Never quite understood the logic behind Wiki myself. Anyone can write anything or change someone else's entry, without having any knowledge or qualifications in the subject in question.

Absolutely no chance of abuse there, then 

Call me a pedantic old reactionary if you like, but I much prefer text books written by experts 

[former user]

don't want to sing WIKI's song here, but of course all books are written only by experts and we all are able to judge that 

I've read many books that were written by amateurs and were published because there simply was a market for it....

[Alfrik]

Ah with altered time lines being common in VSF settings, Nemo could actually be from Poland, run out by the powers that be and worked his way up to his opposition position against the Raj.  Hmmmmmm my Kneemo captain my have found an interesting twist.... more thought required.

[Red Orc]

former user, it's a good point well made. All sorts of crap can be published if the publishers think there's a market for it.

The advantages of wiki are: you don't have to buy the book to find out if it's shite; anyone can re-write it with a better version, so blatant lies tend to get challenged; you can see what the author's source material is of if they've included any references; it takes about 90 seconds to find something (if you have the computer on).

All of those are an improvement on traditional publishing, I think.

Obviously there a lot of things right about books too, but if I had to look on all my bookshelves (and under the bed) for an expensive book that had no references and was full of information that had not been peer-reviewed just to find out that the War of Jenkins' Ear lasted from 1739-48, while simultaneously being told that it was started by dinosaurs, I wouldn't be best pleased.

Alfrik, in a VSF world, he might be a Polish Refugee from the Russian Raj, installed as a local governor (in 'Oblastostan') and realising that in fact the Russian Empire wouldn't bring 'enlightenment' to the natives... just a thought.

[OSHIROmodels]

Back on topic  

I think the characters look a little blasé to me and could do with some more expression/way to recognise them.

I like some parts of the Nautilus but not too sure about others. I think the 'turbine' is a bit too modern and the engine room is a bit 'Star Trek'.

cheers

James

[former user]

the WIKI article  for Nautilus will link You to some pages where people extensively reserched the construction by the original text, complete with drawings
just in case You want it authentic

Nemo as polish arustocrat would fit even better to a VSF-BoB-Pulp timeline and allow to link to the fall of the empires and the revolution.
Besides, there is a magnificent blotch in the Nemo trilogy, because Mysterious Island (where Nemo is old) is dated before 20000 leagues under the sea, although Cyrus has read the newspaper reports about the trip. So either the story has to be chronologically corrected or there was some kind of Timeslip involved 

[Smokeyrone]

There is only one 20,000 for me, James mason, Kirk Douglas and such.

Damn Disney World dismantled the ride!  My favorite.  Bastarditos as we would say in Mexico.

[Mr. Burning]

It all looks a bit like George Lucas' decayed future ala Star Wars.

I haven't really seen anything Steam Punky enough for my tastes, though I could be being too pedantic?

[Trencher]

That's an interesting find. 
While the artwork is excellent, it doesn't say exactly "VSF" to me.
I'm not that fond of the new Nautilus as well. But this is mainly because Walt Disney's version was massaged in our minds over the last decades. So it makes it difficult for every newcomer.

[Westfalia Chris]

There is only one 20,000 for me, James mason, Kirk Douglas and such.

Damn Disney World dismantled the ride!  My favorite.  Bastarditos as we would say in Mexico.

Noooo!

My father went there in 1983 as part of a practitioner convention (electrical engineering), and the Nautilus photoslides he took were my absolute favourites as a kid (that and a lovely little toy truck he brought home for me, Peterbilt tractor and a black trailer with an Elephant motif). I had always hoped to see it for myself once, but apparently I waited for too long. May be the first time, but let me join you in being disappointed by that.

All that said, I still think the Fleischer Nautilus is still the best. The one in "Captain Nemo and the Underwater City" gets bonus point for the modelmaker's skill, and the one in the "Leagues" two-part starring Michael Caine was a very nice modern interpretation, but the designs in the link (both men and machines), while very nicely executed, just lack that certain "spark of life".

[Gluteus Maximus]

Many apologis for momentarily dragging this topic off course again, but

don't want to sing WIKI's song here, but of course all books are written only by experts and we all are able to judge that 

I've read many books that were written by amateurs and were published because there simply was a market for it....

former user, it's a good point well made. All sorts of crap can be published if the publishers think there's a market for it.

What I actually wrote:

....but I much prefer text books written by experts 

ie, I prefer to read books written by someone who I am willing to believe knows what he is talking about, eg Ian Knight's many Zulu War books, Richard Holmes' British Army stuff or Max Hasting's account of the Falklands War. I did not mean to imply that if something is published, then it must be 100% reliable. I'm perfectly aware that far too many "serious" histories are drivel.

Most books published these days will get reviewed to death in one or more of the many websites that offer reviews, as well as in magazines relevant to their genre. Any bullshit contained within will usually be quickly exposed so that it is actually fairly easy to judge whether a book is any good before buying it. This very forum contains plenty of people who know their stuff and will highlight any book, film figure range etc that they feel is not up to par.

I'm old, experienced and intelligent enough to have learned to use discretion when reading history and if possible I try and read books written from more than one perspective. There are certainly far too many history books written by people who would be better employed writing "amusing" double-entendres for tabloid newspapers 

Wiki is a place for quickly getting a rough idea about what a subject is about, but certainly not safe to quote from or use as part of any serious research, unless their data can be confirmed from other sources. That being the case, what's the point of it, even if it is quick? I'm a dinosaur, I love good books and I'm very happy to say so.

Wiki, Wiki, we don't need no stinking Wiki!

Disengage "grumpy old git" mode.


Now, back to more interesting stuff than my ravings 

[ushistoryprof]

Alfrik, in a VSF world, he might be a Polish Refugee from the Russian Raj, installed as a local governor (in 'Oblastostan') and realising that in fact the Russian Empire wouldn't bring 'enlightenment' to the natives... just a thought.

Or the son of a Polish prince and Indian princess from Polands enlightened colonial rule of India that was taken over by Russia when they conquered Poland and... the posibilities are endless...got to love VSF!

[former user]

Disengage "grumpy old git" mode.

hardly necessary to get grumpy about this, old chap
Wiki is comparable to getting a political view from a newspaper. Of course everyone deeply interested will open a serious book, but we don't burn newspapers because they tell lies. do we?

I personally think that especially the idea of everyone being allowed to write is the clue, as opposed to other media where people with money get to propagate their views in the name of "free press"....

Nautilus, Yes

well, the original design is very technological, though a little boring VSF wise. No wonder people prefer the Disney looks, to which the version above pays hommage.
As such, all interpretations are bound to look like between these two designs.

[Mr.Dodo]

I can't get all these pictures, but I did like what I saw.
  Are these related to the new 20,000 Leagues film which is being made?