[COMMERCIAL] Brother Vinni's miniatures

[Brother Vinni]

olololo, guys, I love you all.
The web is full of miniatures, that depicts gory deads, chopped heads and monters with falling out guts, but most cruel and terrible stuff is three busty girls in handcuffs.

[sirrah]

Rape and sexual assault are no laughing matter.

Do these figures depict A)Rape and/or sexual assault or B) Some chicks in handcuffs with their tits out?

You fellows are lucky to have missed the recent Kingdom: Death kickstarter, you might well have had an aneurysm

[carlos marighela]

olololo, guys, I love you all.
The web is full of miniatures, that depicts gory deads, chopped heads and monters with falling out guts, but most cruel and terrible stuff is three busty girls in handcuffs.

There's a world of difference and I find it hard to believe that you really can't see the difference.  The sort of fantasy stuff you are talking about is usually so over the top and the fantasy elements so obvious that they can usually be dismissed as just that, childish fantasy. For the record I don't  find those sorts of miniatures appealing. Can't say that the Phoenix Follies, tits and bum thing ever did it for me but hey your mileage may vary.

These sculpts are in a fairly realistic style, they are labeled 'female prisoners of war' and are in various states of undress so beloved of soft core pornographers. Let's be honest here, there's no particular logical reason that they should be sculpted semi naked save for a desire to titillate. Ok, you may find that arousing or you might just think it's a clever marketing hook but some people find it offensive. Judging by your previous posts, you seem to enjoy the sexual objectification of women and find the depiction of them in vulnerable and sexually suggestive poses pleasing. Much of the rest of the world has moved beyond that point. Perhaps the real shock is the realisation that some people just haven't got the memo yet.

You know there is a tiny kernel of truth about toy soldiers being a form of war porn and I suspect that quite a few of us who collect or game with them have a small but nagging sense of guilt about that but this to me seems so much worse, it's combing actual porn with war. It's sexual objectification of the most blatant kind and the presumptive subtext is rather disturbing.

A pity, you seem to have a really considerable talent as a sculptor but I can't say I'm ever likely to put money in your pocket.

One would hope that Alex has the sense to realize what a negative message this sort of stuff has the potential to send about the hobby and this site.

[Sangennaru]

Objectification? guys, those are miniatures, they are objects!

I understand why someone wouldn't like to see the image of a woman used this way, but there's no difference than the "chainmail bikini", widely used all around here. Ok, this is bad taste, but nothing more.
I see the difference, but i'ts just a quantitative one, not qualitative. I understand that you might feel disturbed by this, but you can't pretend Alex to cancel a picture because of this... as i said before:

By this way we should cancel all the threads about non-fictional miniatures in action more "immoral" than having a cup of tea.

personally i wouldn't spend my time sculpting naked chicks, ok, but Vinni does, and he is doing it pretty well.





That said, this is not a democracy, and Alex can do whatever he wants, of course.  



EDIT:

You fellows are lucky to have missed the recent Kingdom: Death kickstarter, you might well have had an aneurysm

so true!

[Hammers]

Brother Vinni, while you have the right to sculpt (or pay others to sculpt?) miniatures to your taste, so have I the right to object to them. I find these on the wrong side of the line.

As far as I am concerned there is however no formal breach of LAF policy here so I will not personally, as a moderator of Workbench, remove this thread.

[Hildred Castaigne]

Carlos and Pierrebi, you gentlemen have earned my respect today.

Do these figures depict A)Rape and/or sexual assault or B) Some chicks in handcuffs with their tits out?

Didn't I alreay address that?

Do you think female soldiers just sexually humiliate themselves for the hell of it?

That's right, I did.
What would female POWs be stripped for other than to be humiliated or raped?
Seriously, what!?
This *is* one of the main reasons armies keep women out of combat roles.

[pierrebi]

personally i wouldn't spend my time sculpting naked chicks, ok, but Vinni does, and he is doing it pretty well.

Phidias, the ancient sculptor of classical Greece, often sculpted naked women ... not "raped" women!

[Arlequín]

While I admire the talent that sculpted them, I'm with Carlos, Hammers and the others on this. I personally don't think it's what we're about... on this forum at least.

To be fair though, I feel the same about the excessive blood, guts and all, that Vinni mentions as appearing on some miniatures here, so there's a point to be taken there too.

It is all about personal taste though and neither aspects appear in how 'I' express 'My Hobby', but that is of course my view and my choice.

Now! Off for some extreme tea-drinking...  

[Brother Vinni]

carlos marighela, I don't need any logical reason to sculpt something otherwise my wish. I love semi-naked restrained girls and I sculpt it.

We play war on the table. War in real life is terrible, but we do it. This girls are not more raped, than any toy soldier killed. Don't blame people in showing dead corpses when you see a simple soldier, because any soldier is potential cruel killed.. So, I don't show a scene of raping or killing or something like this. I actually don't show full nudity! Boobs and handcuffs are not "immorality" or "porn".

and something (maybe, quantity of sales) tell me, that much of the rest of the world didn't moved beyond that point, hehe.


Hammers it's my sculpting.

Sangennaru that! adequate point of view.

[pierrebi]

there is however no formal breach of LAF policy here.

May I formally cry ?

[Arlequín]

and something (maybe, quantity of sales) tell me, that much of the rest of the world didn't moved beyond that point, hehe.

Which sadly says very little for the world or your customers...

[pierrebi]

We play war on the table.

We play, we do not do war

War in real life is terrible, but we do it.

We play war, we do not do war

This girls are not more raped, than any toy soldier killed.

We use soldier, not killed soldier and we "kill" them in our wargame, we do not kill nobody we just play ... if you use your hand to make a pistol and say Bang-Bang you are killing nobody you are just palying.

You cannot play to rape a girl, this is not a game is violence to her and to women, you are not playing you are doing violence. Maybe you do unconsciously or unintentionally but is, unequivocally, violence not a game.
You can do this "game" with your whife, girlfriend, an unknown girl just for fun, she maybe in age and fully consenting but you two are doing violence, a fully consenting violence but this is violence. So if you make a miniature of a raped girl, even if she is a completely consenting, you are doing violence ... you are not doing a toysoldier that will die in a wargame you are doing the miniature of a raped girl.

Sorry for my bad english, sorry for violate the rules
of the forum talking about current issue

[Brother Vinni]

pierrebi ok, and pleeeeeeeaaaaase tell me, which difference between playing "killing males" and "raping girls"?
Any female model on the table can be raped and any male model on the table can be killed. Oh, so terrible games we play..


and I answer you with your words:

I sculpt hancuffed woman, but didn't rape they 

[Hildred Castaigne]

pierrebi ok, and pleeeeeeeaaaaase tell me, which difference between playing "killing males" and "raping girls"?
Any female model on the table can be raped and any male model on the table can be killed. Oh, so terrible games we play..

The difference is this, killing is war and raping is a war crime.

[Brother Vinni]

killing is a crime. War is just a legalized crime.