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Author Topic: VSF variant for TSATF?  (Read 3016 times)

Offline the fallen scholar

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VSF variant for TSATF?
« on: November 17, 2010, 03:30:16 PM »
Hi Guys;

Does any one know where I can find the VSF variant  of TSATF called Red Sands of Mars?


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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2010, 03:58:08 PM »
Sorry not sure what all the letters stand for.
Is this thread what you are after?

Its called just "Red Sands" savage worlds RPG.

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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2010, 04:03:53 PM »
TSATF = The Sword and the Flame, the classic set of colonial wargame rules, still very popular today. I don't think it has anything to do with Savage Worlds. Unfortunately I am unfamiliar with the VSF variant, in fact didn't know there was one (which will surprise nobody around here, I suspect  ;)).
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Offline the fallen scholar

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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2010, 04:52:43 PM »
The variant was mentioned on the Victorian Science Fiction board of TMP.  I have never heard of it as well.  Just wondering if anyone else has seen or heard of it.

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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2010, 04:56:00 PM »
I'm afraid I've never heard of it either.
I use TSATF for my VSF games, with the only alterations being extra rules for vehicles etc. Take a look at the Major General's site for ideas on modifying the set;

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Offline Mors

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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2010, 06:08:54 PM »
Ive seen it mentioned somewhere in the last couple of days, cant remeber where though. However I have found this


Not sure if it the one you talking about

Offline watchtower78

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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 09:59:06 PM »
I actually did one of these already before I came up with WTNW if anyone wants the rules contact me and I'll give them to you freely.

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Re: VSF variant for TSATF?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 01:41:56 AM »
I believe TSATF was adapted for large VSF games set on Mars and Venus at the Northwest Historical Miniatures Gaming Society's Enfilade convention in Olympia, Washington, but I don't know if there was a published variant used.

Usually the first place to look for The Sword and the Flame variants is the Jackson Gamers' web site on Angelfire.  The author, Larry Brom, was long associated with the gamers in Jackson, Mississippi, and I think that's where both The Sword and the Flame and "Brom's Standard Rules" (for larger actions) where developed.  They don't list a VSF variant, but maybe some ideas from other variants might be useful, especially the WW2 variant:


By the way, there are some interesting games pictured on the Jackson Gamers' web site, so it's worth browsing around.
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