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Author Topic: Order of battle for the mad baron's army  (Read 3697 times)

Offline Siaba

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Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« on: November 27, 2011, 03:01:34 PM »
Hello,

We plan a demo game of the battles opposing mad baron's army to the bolheviks in Siberia. Anyone got an idea of the mad baron's army composition ?

As far as I know, there were roughly 4000 men with white russians, tartars, buriats and ex austro-hungarian POW regiments. Cavalrymen were mostly mongols with perhaps some cosacks.
I have no idea if there were much artillery or MGs.....

Thank you for your help  :) 
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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 05:00:34 PM »
Information here: http://cossac-awards.narod.ru/Zametki/Zametka32_Akunov_Ungern.html

Weapon and provision the Asian Cavalry Division

 In 1920 the division were up to 400 Russian and 2,000 Asians, in June 1921 - 3500 sabers. Arms, were in the division, was the most diverse, owing to the Civil War (especially the lack of any centralized supply). In addition, it sought to maximize fit to local conditions (this applies primarily artillery). According Yuzefovich at the time of division in the last campaign in Transbaikalia, there were about 20 machine guns and 8 guns. The orders referred to in division 6 mountain guns of the sample in 1877, received in spring 1919 from Chita artillery warehouse. According to the testimony of the Ungern, the capture of Urga was seized 12 guns, 14 machine guns and a large number of ammunition. According to the documents used in the machine guns of Shosh, Ghochkiss, and possibly other systems. The basic personal weapons were rifles, carbines (which the division had in abundance, especially in the "mongol" period), revolvers and swords. In service consisted of a local "trekhlineyka" (Mosin) and Japanese "Arisaka". Widely used Japanese edged weapons - bayonets and swords.

On the basis of the order Commander of all armed forces and the Far East Military District of Irkutsk № 131, dated February 5, 1920 Order of the Asian Cavalry Division number 1 on February 7, 1920 Asian Cavalry Brigade was renamed the Asian cavalry division. It consisted of two brigades, 1st: 1st and 2nd Tatar cavalry regiments, Mongolian cavalry division (play on words in Russian: Дивизия - Division, Дивизион - cavalry battalion), 2nd: 1st and 2nd Buryat and Mongolian-Buryat mounted regiments. Asian horse artillery battalion. In the second part of the brigade became a separate Buryat horse brigade (formed on the orders of the Trans-Baikal Military District № 109 dated December 6, marching and chieftain of the Far Eastern Cossack troops number 77 on December 22, 1919).

Uniforms are here: http://kolchakiya.narod.ru/uniformology/Ungern_div.htm
« Last Edit: November 27, 2011, 05:09:22 PM by cuprum »

Offline Siaba

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 07:41:49 AM »
A very useful link.
Thank you very much, Cuprum  :)

Now I ask myself if there were any infantry at all in the baron's army  ??? 

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 08:43:06 AM »
If I am not mistaken, the battalions recruited from prisoners of Chinese were on foot.

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 03:51:02 PM »
Did they take the infantry to Siberia? I thought the invasion army was entirely cavalry.

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 03:53:11 PM »
Maybe. I detail this theme has not worked.

Offline Ignatieff

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 06:32:52 PM »
Hi cuprum

Great link.  Any suggestions as to how I might translate it????

Thanks

Steve
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Offline cuprum

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 01:29:54 AM »
It's easy.
 Open the translator "Google", choose the translation direction (Russian-English), enter in the "Russian" link to be transferred to the page. In the "English" will receive a link to the translated page.

Offline Siaba

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 07:50:30 AM »
That's exactly what I did. It's not perfect but it allowed me to understand most of the text.
Thank you for your advices anyway.

We'll make an all cavalry army (with a battery of horse artillery) as I'm not sure that the infantry followed in Siberia.

By the way, anyone know what kind of planes the red army used against the baron ?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 08:07:30 AM by Siaba »

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 08:18:13 AM »
Thanks guys

Steve

Offline jazbo

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 03:17:40 PM »
I suspect horses would have died quickly, so you could excuse a few foot units here and there  ;)
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Offline cuprum

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Re: Order of battle for the mad baron's army
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2011, 03:36:02 PM »
It seems to me that the game rules is necessary to provide dismounted cavalry. Yet in this period, the cavalry and fought often on foot.

 

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