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Offline Warren Abox

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2012, 12:26:46 AM »
Didn't realize they were that big. Perhaps they need to be putting out some photos with minis folks will recognize so we can get a better understanding of the scale we are talking about here.

I was also under the impression that they were fairly small.

Can't speak as to the vehicles, but the infantry are too much for my wallet.  I'm not interested in the background or rules or vehicles, I just want more ground pounders to throw into my own games.  At a buck a figure, those things (gorgeous as they are) are just too much for me to justify adding to the collection.  Copplstone makes the best looking figures in the market at that scale, and they charge at most fifty cents per figure.

(That said, female figures in 10mm are rare enough that I might bite the bullet and pick up a box of the Sirens, prices be damned.)

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2012, 06:44:51 AM »
Didn't realize they were that big. Perhaps they need to be putting out some photos with minis folks will recognize so we can get a better understanding of the scale we are talking about here
No idea about the infantry but the vehicles are indeed pretty large. HWg does IMCO a very good thing by giving the most relevant sizes, e.g. the walker height, in millimeters (or at least they did so with their previews, I couldn't be bothered to look at their shop right now, the connection is a little slow hereabouts these days).

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2012, 01:38:10 PM »
Nobody has ever accussed me of being cheap as far as wargames purchases are concerned, quite the contrary, but for such a minute scale - lovely as these models ay be - the price is over the top.  Count me out.
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Offline Keeper Nilbog

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2012, 06:35:53 PM »
 In regard to model sizes, if you click on the model picture on the site, you get a thread of pictures, one of which is the model along side a 1p, a 20 cent (euro) and a cent (?). Hope that helps.

Offline Engel

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2012, 11:17:55 AM »
Thanks Nilbog, I had totally missed that.

Its getting hard to act as I’m not interested in this. I guess the gaming project for at least this fall is set then.

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2012, 01:17:02 PM »
Nobody has ever accussed me of being cheap as far as wargames purchases are concerned, quite the contrary, but for such a minute scale - lovely as these models ay be - the price is over the top.  Count me out.

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2012, 04:28:01 PM »
Does anyone know how these scale with AoG's Gropos figs?

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2012, 04:56:43 PM »
For me this game hinges on the rules.  I'll pickup the rulebook as its quite reasonably priced for something printed in colour.  Then I'll see if I like it enough and how much a decent sized force would cost.

I'm a bit confused about so many complaints on the pricing.  To me they look a touch high - infantry costs the same as it does for many 15mm - but of course these are smaller figs.  But certainly the price is no where near what it would cost to pick up an epic army from specialist games or a new 40k army - and not even the same order of magnitude as ordering something from forgeworld.

Can someone give some examples of comparable minis that are much cheaper?  Or is it perhaps more that the quantities of minis they are recommending you need to play are high?  Seriously I'm not just trying to play devil's advocate I'd like to know about significantly cheaper minis out there!

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Offline Keeper Nilbog

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2012, 06:32:47 PM »
 if the pictures with the coins are accurate, then these will be MUCH smaller than the Gropos models.

Offline Hoplon

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2012, 06:54:26 PM »
Can someone give some examples of comparable minis that are much cheaper?  Or is it perhaps more that the quantities of minis they are recommending you need to play are high?  Seriously I'm not just trying to play devil's advocate I'd like to know about significantly cheaper minis out there!


For me is a question of: How much do I have to spend on the game? I think the vehicles are really in the line of the Spartan games ships, spaceships, etc. They are not really expensive. But as in Spartan games you can manage to play a whole afternoon with say 40 pounds, it seems that here you will need a bigger investment.

Talking about infantry, I think it is really expensive.
UCM infantry between 0.4/0.45 per figure
Scourge infantry between 0.4/0.66
PHR infantry between 0.45/0.66
Shaltarii infnatry 0.75

And we are talking about 10mm miniatures. I'm not going to compare them with pendraken because Hawk's are thousand times better. But compared to FOW miniatures, another expensive game which is in 15mm, we get less than 0.36 per figure.

What I think is that probbably Hawk is getting the best infantry in 10mm that we can now find in the market. Is it worth it? Well, maybe yes maybe not, we lack of things to compare it with. At the momment we can only say if playing this game is going to be expensive or not. If I have to spend 100 pounds to do something, well, I bet it is.

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2012, 08:01:30 PM »
For me is a question of: How much do I have to spend on the game? I think the vehicles are really in the line of the Spartan games ships, spaceships, etc. They are not really expensive. But as in Spartan games you can manage to play a whole afternoon with say 40 pounds, it seems that here you will need a bigger investment.

Talking about infantry, I think it is really expensive.
UCM infantry between 0.4/0.45 per figure
Scourge infantry between 0.4/0.66
PHR infantry between 0.45/0.66
Shaltarii infnatry 0.75

And we are talking about 10mm miniatures. I'm not going to compare them with pendraken because Hawk's are thousand times better. But compared to FOW miniatures, another expensive game which is in 15mm, we get less than 0.36 per figure.

What I think is that probbably Hawk is getting the best infantry in 10mm that we can now find in the market. Is it worth it? Well, maybe yes maybe not, we lack of things to compare it with. At the momment we can only say if playing this game is going to be expensive or not. If I have to spend 100 pounds to do something, well, I bet it is.

I agree it is going to be very dependent on how much you need. 

I just looked at some FoW prices on the official online store.  No idea what I'm looking at really, but for the German Infantry Platoon GBX59 you get 53 men for 26 pounds.  So 0.49 per figure.  They are 15mm so one would expect them to be higher.  Is there a particular box set that gets the price down to 0.36 per figure or is that from another source?

I just noticed that Warstore (in US) has DzC items listed for preorder with a marginal discount on the price (approx 10%). 

-Tim

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2012, 11:01:10 PM »
I agree it is going to be very dependent on how much you need. 

I think that's the key in this matter.


I just looked at some FoW prices on the official online store.  No idea what I'm looking at really, but for the German Infantry Platoon GBX59 you get 53 men for 26 pounds.  So 0.49 per figure.  They are 15mm so one would expect them to be higher.  Is there a particular box set that gets the price down to 0.36 per figure or is that from another source?


Seems that it differs if it boxed, or blisterd. I took the example from GE723. But then I looked at GE836 an the ratio was 0.35!! So yes, I think it deppends on the pack you take for the calculation.

But anyhow, I think it's still not a good example, because we compare 10mm with 15mm.

Offline Keeper Nilbog

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2012, 10:04:15 AM »
 Would think, looking at the starter armies, that whilst infantry are a required option (all the FAQ push this point), you shouldn't need that many - £140 force has 2 packs (4 units) included. Unless they're being clever, and you need extra's of that troop (at around £22 for 2 units - you'll need the APC's as well, remember).

  2 units should do to start, and there in all the starter forces.

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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2012, 06:52:43 PM »
For anybody still interested in buying these, maelstrom games is also selling them. With these prices and maelstroms general 10% below retail  and no shipping that could be worth it.
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Re: Hawk wargames Dropzone commander
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2012, 08:46:26 PM »
I can't criticise people's opinions because freewill is a good thing but it is grating to listen to all the incessant whining about the cost.
This guy has poured his heart and soul into a brand new game with apparently top notch quality resin minis..the detail is amazing,the rules look very exciting moving away from IGOUGO which is a good thing.
Forgeworld is expensive,GW is expensive,Spartan is expensive and has very brittle resin(although I do play it),FOW is expensive esp. for the resin tanks/vehicles..the point is once you've bought them you've got them forever and this game has great minis,what looks to be a interesting ruleset with new ways of playing esp. dropship-centric.
All this talk of what other games you could use them for!!...they are meant for this game so why should Dave think of making it in a scale so they can be proxies?!..he explains very well his reasoning for 10mm and it makes sense(to me at least).
All of us have spent a small fortune over the years on minis,terrain,rulesets,etc..many of which we've never played with and sit in our lead pile so let's fire a few more positives into this thread and if you're 'out' who really cares?..
I hope he does amazingly well and look forward to spending my hard earned cash on this game..free and frank opinion finished
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