A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm

[tomrommel1]

very nice variety! I will do that eventually ,too. I am aiming for Blacktree and Brax and Glover as smaller supporting houses for my Starks and Lannisters. after that who knows may be white walkers and the Nightwatch.

[sukhe_bator]

Thanks,
Its nice to be back doing stuff again

after that who knows may be white walkers and the Nightwatch.

At least you won't lose sleepless nights with their heraldry. Dilettante Gamer will agree I've been mulling over the multiple House combo for some time now!
I know what you mean though Hupp n at Em. Its the age old conflict between wanting to represent interesting factions and larger formations without skewing the overall look. It has bedevilled gamers for years, particularly those with armies with quite specialised fighting arms like Medieval and ECW. Still I think the multiple banner, multiple heraldry conveys more of the medieval look I have in my mind's eye. That doesn't stop me looking enviously at other people's more single-minded/systematic approaches like Charlie's, Captain Blood's and of course Frank's inimitable SAGA approach!

[sukhe_bator]

A w.i.p. glimpse of one of the two Riverlands archer units for Lion Rampant slowly emerging, Houses Piper, Bracken and Mallister combined.


Still a fair amount of highlighting and detailing to go before I switch attention to the bases adding texture, flock and drybrushing.

[Captain Blood]

Shaping up well 

[Dilettante Gamer]

Sweet! 

[Hupp n at em]

Very nice, the mixed unit looks much more cohesive than I had imagined it would.  Are you basing this arrangement on historical HYW/WoTR armies, or just for visual variety's sake?  The books always seemed to describe large enough armies/retinues for the individual lords that I didn't think they would be this mixed in a small LR-sized force; the more powerful Northern houses (Karstark, Cerwyn, Manderly) could field 800-1000 horse and a couple thousand foot IIRC.

[sukhe_bator]

Are you basing this arrangement on historical HYW/WoTR armies, or just for visual variety's sake? 

I'm doing this primarily for visual variety, in much the same way ECW/TYW gamers representing larger armies would represent tercios of pike composed of multiple regiments. The proportion of missile to hand weapons seems about right without looking silly. The aim is to create a mixed retinue per House just big enough that when combined into groups and tinkering with the unit designations could create viable units for Lion Rampant.
Thus 3 Houses combined would field 12 archers, 12 MAA with mixed arms (pike/bill), and 6 Foot Knights (14-16pts)
6 houses 2x12 Archers, 1x12 MAA w Pike, 1x12 MAA w bill, and 1x12 MAA (20pts) to which could be added Mtd contingents and skirmishers etc for different battles/encounters. I plan to have a few generically painted figures as well to tinker with the proportions where necessary. A full blown battle would be around the 30-36pt mark, but I am reliably informed LR can handle that with ease...

[tomrommel1]

you could have mixed units in Dragon Rampant too like 6 archers and 6 billmen . Have a look in the unit compositions!

[sukhe_bator]

you could have mixed units in Dragon Rampant too like 6 archers and 6 billmen . Have a look in the unit compositions!

An intriguing notion tomrommel1. I will have to investigate  I plumped for Lion Rampant simply because I knew it was good and saw it on the bookshelf. In order to fully game Westeros and potentially LoTR it will need to cater for Artillery, Elephants and 'gunpowder-esque' magic. Dragon Rampant is on my wish list but maybe not till the summer

[tomrommel1]

In Dragon Rampant you can also have single miniature units like the best swordsman in all Westeros or a lonely hound fighting a lady in full plate!!

[sukhe_bator]

I see in Lion Rampant there is a 2pt upgrade for the Foot Yeoman (3pts) to create a mixed spear/archer unit for 5pts. The archers only have a 12" range and move like the skirmishers, with some interesting benefits in melee.
This might make an interesting variant for Northern Bannermen.
Currently 3 House naturally combine into a 13/14pt retinue composed of;
1x 12 Foot serjeants @ 4pts, or Foot Yeomen @ 3pts
1x 12 archers @ 4pts
1x 6 Foot knights @ 6pts

Thus 3 Houses might combine to create a 16pt retinue composed of;
2x 12 Foot Yeoman, mixed weapons @ 10pts
1x 6 Foot Knights @ 6pts

I think visually this works quite well and tactically may prove rather useful. I can see I will have to experiment. Thanks for the heads up tomrommel1. You can look forward to a future AAR from me trying this out using my LoTR armies as proxies.

[tomrommel1]

looking forward to your test

[sukhe_bator]

My s$%*^y little digital camera finally died on me at the weekend. Luckily I found my Dad's old camera and took a few test pics which seem much improved.
My ironborn GB vikings out of the box with a few minor conversions, nearing completion after a mass application of canon and non-canon sourced shield designs of the various Iron Islands clans, all under the Kraken...

Waiting in the wings, the next 6 houses to be finished off (probably after Easter now), this time Stark, Umber, Hornwood, Tallhart, Glover and Ryswell. I'm looking forward to these the most since the majority of my most heavily converted figures are amongst this crowd. I am hopeful that a lot of the preparatory work already undertaken will mean these are a little quicker off the production line than the Riverlands mob (w.i.p. pics to follow)...

I still have to weed out the non-canon sigils and rectify a few errors (like changing the armoured fist to the 'mailed' fist of the Glovers)

A little experiment with the macro settings showing my take on the venerable Stark Master At Arms Rodrik Cassel in the making

[Hammers]

Great.

[LordOdo]

Oooh looks good! I'm sure this variety of banners all together is right like how mr. George had depicted it!