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Author Topic: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine  (Read 4659 times)

Offline Mad Doc Morris

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Re: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2012, 05:25:34 PM »
First, a very warm welcome to LAF, Smithy/Adam! Great to have you here, hopefully you can provide us with further insights on models to come. Thanks very much so far.

I have to admit, even if I don't agree with some views as proposed by Mr D'Amato & co, it really reveals the investment of thought that's going into this range from your side. And that gets a hats off, anyway. :)

So, when are the masked helmets starting to make an appearance? :D

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Re: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2012, 05:33:01 PM »
Inside information eh?  Adam
'I see lead people'

Offline philhendry

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Re: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2012, 10:14:28 AM »
Raffaele D'Amato and Graham Sumner have an excellent book entitled 'Arms And Armour Of The Imperial Roman Soldier Marius to Commodus 112bc-AD192' which contains many pictures of the above metopes with many variations of armour styles depicted. IMHO it also confirms the existance of Sarmatian/Dacian archers/auxiliaries in the Roman army and publishes pictures from Trajan's column of Danubian numeri wearing various Sarmatian/Dacian helmets, (pages162/163)
I tend to treat that book with a healthy degree of scepticism, and only take it as 'evidence' when I have other sources to back it up - D'Amato and Sumner both seem to prefer to 'live on the ragged edge' when it comes to evidence and its interpretation.

Having spent a couple of hours last week in the Museo della Civiltà Romana peering at the castings of the reliefs from Trajan's Column, I can't deny that some of the auxilia are wearing 'spangenhelms'.  Ordinarily, I'd say that it's a bit of a stretch to follow that by implying that legionaries would have worn them, but one has to remember the metopes from the Tropaeum Traiani at Adamklissi, one of which pretty definitely shows a 'spangenhelm-type' helmet (unless it's just a legionary helmet with reinforces - the sculpting isn't the best!) on what might well be a legionary (to judge by the shield):



Nice figures, by the way!
« Last Edit: November 04, 2012, 10:19:22 AM by philhendry »

Offline Axebreaker

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Re: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2012, 01:40:59 PM »
As always just fantastic figures! :-* :-*

A little off topic, but are you going to expand the Carthaginian range?

Christopher

Offline Aventine

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Re: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2012, 02:33:38 PM »
Yes at some time down the road, we plan on doing them in smaller ranges eg Spanish, Numidians etc. rather than as a whole range at one go. As to when we will get them starteed I don't know.

Cheers

Keith

Offline Axebreaker

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Re: Heavily armoured legionaries - Aventine
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2012, 02:44:33 PM »
Ok thanks. :) The veteran's you have done look just superb! :-*

Christopher

 

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