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Mister Rab:
I like the sweep of games like Impetvs at small scales (15mm and below), and the simplicity of Song of Blades and... for small numbers of figures but now I'm after something in the middle; what options do I have?

I see a lot of love for SAGA, and I'll admit to being mightily intrigued by the tactical aspect of matching dice and boards, along with approximately thirty figures which can be based on rough skirmish movement trays. I've also seen that a few folk are trying to port it across for Lord of the Rings gaming, or Westeros ets. I'm after something which plays like SAGA looks in the online pictures I found, but with a wide range of fantasy options. Orcs, goblins, elves, dwarfs, giants, dragons, skeletons, goblins riding giant tortoises as if they were mumakil (well done, Thantsants, your blog made me want one  ::))... you know the drill! Oh, and if the "thirty figures" thing was a bit vague, I'm after a game with mobs/units/gangs, not individuals unless they're heroes, so great games like Dave King's Skulldred aren't what I'm after today.

So, what options do I have? What do you recommend?

Thanks.

Hat Guy:
Fanticide is very similar to SAGA in how it plays, but with a card mechanic rather than the boards.

Thantsants:
Havoc is good fun - here's a battle report and a review I did some time ago. It is a skirmish game and there are options for heroes, but you can game with just rank and file and can activate up to 6 models at a time - depending on how you group them.

I'm not familiar with SAGA so hopefully this is kind of what your after.

Oh and everyone should have at least one Giant Tortoise crewed by Goblins in their collection!  ;)

Faust23:
I'll toss my hat into the ring.  The fantasy supplement will be out in June. But you can download the free ashcan supplement from Wargame Vault.

Here's a link to get you started http://theminiaturespage.com/news/?id=1843871771

Mister Rab:
Thanks chaps, for your suggestions. I've had a little pooter around the web and so far I think Havoc is closest to what I'm after. There isn't a huge amount out there about it, but what there is chimes nicely with what I had in mind.

The deal-breaker question, though, is would I be able to field that tortoise?  lol

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