*
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
May 22, 2022, 07:26:48 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Donate

We Appreciate Your Support

Recent

Author Topic: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms  (Read 82150 times)

Offline Mark Plant

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 502
    • Pygmy Wars : Russian Civil War and Related Stuff
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2010, 07:03:43 AM »
Cheers, Cuprum. I think I will go with black caps bands for NCOs, with it just looking like a different colour in that photograph.

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2330
  • The Orient - is a tricky!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2010, 07:59:55 AM »
The Colour of the service cap black with white line. The Other variant no.

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2010, 09:07:29 PM »
I just wanted to say thanks for this thread. I am not really that much less confused after reading through the 3 pages, but at least there are some hints.  lol And the Steve Dean painted examples help as well (from what I can see... they should be correct).

Any idea where I could find a good specimen of a flag they would carry? Could it be a normal, plain Bolshevik one?

Offline Red Orc

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2542
  • Baffled but happy
    • My new VSF blog:
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2010, 09:20:54 PM »
In the early period immediately after the revolution they would probably just have a red flag. The Hammer and Sickle didn't become the official flag until 1923 I think.

EDIT: on the first page of this thread Keith links to the flagspot site - http://flagspot.net/flags/su~ru.html - where there are different flags from different periods. So I suppose really it depends when and wherre your sailors are based I guess.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2010, 09:22:45 PM by Red Orc »

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2010, 10:06:49 PM »
Oh, I missed that... Thank you very much. Pity that there isn't a nice stylised version of these available. Might have to try to get the dust off my photoshop skills. :)

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2330
  • The Orient - is a tricky!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2010, 03:41:36 AM »
Look a theme here.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=16358.0
Besides, here a banner taken on a red military river vessel. Quite probably, that seamen on a land used the same banners.

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2010, 05:41:12 AM »
Brilliant! Thank you. I've seen the same flag with a blue Andrea's Cross and someone told me that it is also suitable for sailors. Is that true?

EDIT: By the way... Your Black Army flag is beautiful!

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2330
  • The Orient - is a tricky!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2010, 06:38:24 AM »
This banner with the Andreevsky cross has been grasped by the Polish armies on a red vessel during the Soviet-Polish war in 1920. It is not regulated anywhere. In Russian imperial fleet the banner was with a blue cross. Probably, red seamen used a red Andreevsky cross what to keep sea symbolics, but to designate red colour the accessory to Red fleet.

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2010, 06:40:51 AM »
I see. That is very interesting. So, in theory, I could paint one banner with the red and one with the blue and then decide before every game depending if I play red or not, right?

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2330
  • The Orient - is a tricky!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2010, 06:52:48 AM »
Blue cross - imperial army or white seamen, a red cross - red seamen, a black banner - seamen-anarchists (such too was much).
Why is not present!

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2010, 04:21:21 PM »
Perfect. That way I could have different flags for the same group. So the anarchist flag would be plain black?

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2330
  • The Orient - is a tricky!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2010, 02:23:40 AM »
Flags of anarchists usually black though could be and red. The photo of seamen with such flags at me, unfortunately, is not present. But, with the big share of probability, it is possible to assume, that there were anarchist slogans. Like the such:
"Anarchy - mother of an order!"; "through anarchy - to an order!"; "the power generates parasites. Long live Anarchy!" And others. The symbolics - a skull with bones was often used.
White seamen were not numerous and, as far as I know, were at war as a part of sea and river fleet, sometimes on armored trains.
Here the image of seamen from army Kolchaks, The uniform from deliveries of allies was partially used:


Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2010, 05:57:02 AM »
You are a treasure chest of knowledge, cuprum! :) Thank you.

I guess I need to paint a pin on the caps above the ships name for my soldiers. As for the ships name... I think I will leave that out. It's too small of an area to paint a name on it effectively.

Offline cuprum

  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • Posts: 2330
  • The Orient - is a tricky!
    • Studio "Siberia"
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2010, 06:32:29 AM »
In similar cases I use such way.
The place where the inscription completely is located is painted over by a gold paint. Then, by means of very thin brush or a toothpick, this site is painted over and gold rectangles in size with the letter are left. After that cautious strokes designate"letters. An inscription, of course, it will not be good to be read, but it will be visible, that on this place something is written.

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: Russian Bolshevik Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2010, 11:52:37 AM »
Genius! I will try it tonight.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
3 Replies
4898 Views
Last post May 27, 2009, 06:11:30 PM
by Cosmotiger
9 Replies
11564 Views
Last post December 21, 2012, 10:18:54 PM
by H.M.Stanley
36 Replies
12435 Views
Last post April 02, 2013, 02:43:22 PM
by former user
6 Replies
3282 Views
Last post February 01, 2015, 06:05:11 PM
by Khmorg
15 Replies
4122 Views
Last post June 25, 2016, 06:42:22 PM
by WFGamers