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Offline Grimnir

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2008, 06:19:47 PM »
When the galley became out-of-date the xebec/chebec became the favored ship type of the Barbary corsairs. It was basically a sailing ship but could be rowed if necessary. It was fast, highly manoveurable, and quite well armed with ca. 20 guns. The xebec proved to be more than a match for the fast European frigates. In the middle of the 18th century the French and Spanish saw their only chance in dealing with the pirates by copying the ship design and building xebecs themselves.

http://www.admiraltyshipmodels.co.uk/acatalog/Chebec_Xebec_Ship_Models.html
http://www.modelships.de/Schebecke,_arabisch/Chebec_arabian.htm
http://www.falconstein.de/product_info.php?products_id=78

Offline PeteMurray

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2008, 08:01:38 PM »
One of the finer points of the xebec is that it can sail well with a beam wind - something a square-rigged ship has a bit of trouble with (by the same token, a square-rigger goes faster with the wind from her aft). When you're in the Med, this means a xebec can sail North-South faster than a square-rigger - handy for darting out of a fortified harbor, hitting your target, then turning and sailing for home.

I also think xebecs can point higher into the wind than square-riggers. Bermuda rigs can, and that's another fore-and-aft rigging. But I'm not certain on this.

A major plot point of "Master and Commander" is that Jack Aubrey's little sloop is pursued by a Spanish xebec-rigged frigate.

Offline Black Cat Bases

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2008, 11:20:26 PM »
We do a basic dhow: http://www.blackcatbases.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=99&CAT_ID=99&P_ID=580&btnProduct=Products... we also do african and turkish crew: http://www.blackcatbases.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=117&CAT_ID=117&P_ID=560&btnProduct=Products... which will be added to soon, we have loads of new releases over the next month! Most of which will be available at Salute as pre release!

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Offline Grimnir

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 06:11:15 PM »
Quote from: "PeteMurray"
One of the finer points of the xebec is that it can sail well with a beam wind - something a square-rigged ship has a bit of trouble with (by the same token, a square-rigger goes faster with the wind from her aft). When you're in the Med, this means a xebec can sail North-South faster than a square-rigger - handy for darting out of a fortified harbor, hitting your target, then turning and sailing for home.

I also think xebecs can point higher into the wind than square-riggers. Bermuda rigs can, and that's another fore-and-aft rigging. But I'm not certain on this.

A major plot point of "Master and Commander" is that Jack Aubrey's little sloop is pursued by a Spanish xebec-rigged frigate.

Yes, lateen-rigged ships are more efficient at sailing close-hauled than square-rigged ships.

The left ship is a "classic" lateen-rigged xebec and the right ship is polacre-rigged xebec which was developed in the 18th century in order to combine the advantages of both rigging-styles

Offline PeteMurray

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 07:01:26 PM »
Quote from: "Grimnir"
Yes, lateen-rigged ships are more efficient at sailing close-hauled than square-rigged ships.

The left ship is a "classic" lateen-rigged xebec and the right ship is polacre-rigged xebec which was developed in the 18th century in order to combine the advantages of both rigging-styles

They tried the same rig on brigantines, with the lateen rig on  the mizzenmast. Those are "hermaphrodite" brigs. They were legendarily indifferent sailors on all points of sail, and kind of complicated to rig.

Offline Gluteus Maximus

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 12:54:23 PM »
I don't think this has been mentioned before, but if so I apologize  :)

The Virtual Armchair General stocks card Dhow and Junk models. You can either buy them as a kit or as PDFs on CDs:

http://fauxtoys.com/tvag/511-Send-Gunboat-2.html







The CD version is a good deal, as you can obviously print off a fleet if required.

I know card models are not everyone's cup of tea, but for those of us who are hamfisted oafs, with little money, they can be a very attractive option.

Patrick is a good guy and is a pleasure to do business with.

Cheers,
Ian

Offline Maksim-Smelchak

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 06:51:57 PM »
Hi Prof. W.,

I am building a Barbary Pirates / Corsairs ship & crew.

I have photos here if you'd like to take a gander:

http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/2008/04/mini-wargaming-28mm-barbary-pirates-27.html

Please keep us informed as to the staus of your project... I'd like to follow it. If only we could all be as insanely productive as Paul Matakishi!

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
I'm just a happy-go-lucky guy who isn't always so happy or lucky, BUT I try!

Please check out my blog:
http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

Offline Stéphane

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 11:30:20 AM »
Quote from: "Aaron"
For 25/28mm pirates Eureka also has a range that includes some Turkish pirates which might work: http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_170&sort=3a .


I thing that these corsaries from Eureka look like more "arabic" (indian ocean) than "barbaresques" (mediteranean and atlantic seas) ones.
Les Vicissitudes Ludiques (french text, but colored picutres)

Offline Sendak

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2008, 03:24:34 PM »
In some quarters the lateen sailed ships of the Barbary Corsairs were called xebecs, xebecca, and the like.

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