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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #15 on: 31 July 2013, 03:47:36 PM »
don't expect more than various shades of Khaki  ;)

August will be the 1915-1920 unit, since they are easiest to start with

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #16 on: 04 August 2013, 02:29:24 PM »
added one more unit to the challenge, first post

And here we go, the August is already four days old, first unit to go - based and primed:
twelve Renegade Miniatures french chasseurs, one Artizan Design NCO. For those who know the figures, the three bareheaded soldiers had headswitches, so thirteen unique soldiers for August.


I will add some more background info on the way

« Last Edit: 04 August 2013, 02:39:43 PM by bedwyr »

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #17 on: 04 August 2013, 03:01:48 PM »
Looking forward to seeing this take shape.
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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #18 on: 06 August 2013, 11:37:32 AM »
Looking forward to seeing this take shape.
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THX

Since I am not going to bore anyone with meek WIP pics, I’d rather throw in some background info about the minis and their potential.
The other ranks wear the regular pantalons culotte and tunic, albeit with a simple back-slit, not á soubise fashion. The Kepi is the covered old M1884 (or the first uncovered late 1914 versions with the war uniforms that were discontinued with the introduction of the Adrian) with the puttees dating the uniform as 1914. Equipment is the M1892 bretelles style with M1888 pouches, musette bag, boudin horseshoe roll and bidon, though not all wear them. Interestingly, the regulation would have required the musette on the right and bidon on the left for light infantry, which is how the figures are tagged – but only one wears them as such, the others wear them line infantry style – which is even better for the FFL use.
In short, the appearance dates the dollies as 1914-1920ish (maybe a bit longer, depending how long it took for the 1914 style kepis to replace the old M 1884).

A very strict interpretation leaves us with the following options:
Pants are very simple and could be anything from cachou (old colonial khaki), over bleu ciel (mécanicien), bleu horizont and the greyish transitional variants to the US tan and british khaki cloth and finally the french khaki moutarde, with all khakis in two weight variants of course.
Tunics (due to the simple skirt slit and the five buttons) can be either the M1901 colonial cachou, the transitional horizon blue variants and the transitional british and US khakis. The regulation mustard khakis would have the correct cut.
Finally the kepis could be the khaki or bleu mécanicien covered original M1884 (off-white only in North Africa) or the transitional uncovered horizon blue (and greyish variants) versions. For post war use other khaki variants of local dye would be acceptable too.
Puttees can basically be any shade available from old greatcoat or regulation issue, so basically all shades mentioned above plus the darker gris de fer. Same goes basically for musette, bidon cover and horseshoe roll, plus off white canvas.
In order to emphasize the representation of the late 1914, early 1915 period, gris de fer, bleu mechanicien and brown corduroy could be used, especially for the newly raised foreigner units.
The webbing and shoes can be either the original black or the 1915 brown leather versions with a few old ones thrown in for variation.
This leaves me with the following options:
Pre 1914 colonial style (very stretched because of the puttees which would have been non-regulation), North Africa or Gallipoli/Macedonia respectively later
Late 1914 early 1915 transitional style, western front (a bit narrow)
Late and Postwar Near-East/Anatolia, possibly also RCW in the north.
The latter is actually the broadest option (with a little stretch also acceptable for the first two periods), with the exclusion of helmets and greatcoats.

I hope you enjoyed the juxtaposition of uniform history and miniature reality.
I would appreciate comments and questions and especially correction.

a few comments on the NCO figure later
« Last Edit: 07 August 2013, 03:53:09 AM by bedwyr »

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #19 on: 18 August 2013, 09:25:22 PM »
puh

had a longish painting session today, first one of this length in... years
happy that it worked (my eyes haven't got better over time...), managed to get into a frenzy  :D
which is comforting, means I can carry on

never was a fan of painting eyes, but I am afraid this boat has finally sailed away...

a note on NCO and officer figures for the french
the Artizan range offers an impressive amount and there are also a lot from other manufacturers.
French commanders are easy, because there were a lot of freedoms with uniform choices and one can use figures from both world wars quite interchangeably.
But not when it comes to Kepis, because basically every rank group had their own style/size and it was rather strictly followed.
I will try to determine rank when I come to the respective figures

plus, the officer Kepi is almost always the rather stiff polo style that came into use with the Great War.
I have never seen the soft "foulard" or the semi-stiff "Saumur" style, with possibly the exception of one Renegade Miniatures officer

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #20 on: 18 August 2013, 11:20:13 PM »
good to hear you're on Track  :)

Quick Question:What Colors are the Officer's Hats? (the stiff one) I've seen some Pics with Black ones  ???

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #21 on: 19 August 2013, 08:48:14 AM »
what shall I say - depends  ;)
but most of the time and for most of the arms the body is midnight blue, which for officers always was almost black. the top and 1cm of the body are garance, which is madder red

it gets different if You get to the light infantry, african cavalry, medical corps, marsouins etc, but the infantry was always like this, and the legion is too
oh, one small exception - the reinstated CSPL have light blue kepis, but these are covered - because these took traditions from the old Mehariste companies

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950
« Reply #22 on: 31 August 2013, 08:22:13 AM »
well, here we are then, August 31.....
You are welcome to enjoy, criticize and comment please







the guy with the chechia does not belong to the unit, I painted him to test the scheme
he would be an indigen NCO of the CSPL late 30ies and even after the war in tenue de journaille
one correction on the figures - the tunic cut is indeed a la soubise, not the simple single slit at the back - apparently the closest look is with a brush in the hand....

a few remarks on the very well sculpted miniatures:
I find it puzzling that only three out of twelve have the muzette bag and only six have the bidon, but none at all has a bayonet frog, not that I would miss them or the bayonets. One of the leather straps holding the bidon disappears halfway around the body (but this is irrelevant).
The biggest mystery though is why they (inconsistently not all of them) have the square shaped old style bill/peak on the kepi. Not that it bothers me, the ones from Old Glory have it too.
« Last Edit: 31 August 2013, 06:59:35 PM by bedwyr »

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Great stuff, sir!

A great looking unit, full of character.
 :-* :-* :-*

You certainly have an idea for the diorama too, they are posed in a very artistic fashion. Great use of materials.
 8)

Excellent history lesson provided too.

The NCO gives us a nice 'teaser' of a unit to come.
Looking forward to it.

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THX
I decided on the CSPL "on the way" - these will take some time, since I still have to buy three Artizan Tirailleurs Algeriens. The rest of them will be the renegade legionnaires  with the spahi pants and a few others. this will amount to actually two units, including vehicles and possibly camels (not sure yet on that one, haven't found the right models, and camels are bloody expensive).
CSPL is very interesting to paint since one has two sets of uniforms with all the segregated colonial mentality...
« Last Edit: 31 August 2013, 09:48:46 AM by bedwyr »

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You've done a great job with these.

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Thank You very much

so, September squad will be these 10



Artizan Design compilation of pre WW1 FFL in M1903 khaki drill colonial uniform, uncovered kepis, no greatcoat.
You will notice that in contrast to the Renegade french all of them have the full kit - musette bag, water bottle and three ammo pouches.

the colour scheme here is much simpler - the equipment is black leather, as are the shoes and gaiters, Kepis midnight blue body with madder red top

only one of them will have the as de carreau, there were only 10 with uncovered kepis without greatcoat, and the sample is quite command heavy (with one miniature from Renegade), but this is simply due to the variation Artizan offers

something like this



the only colour variation is in the water bottles and musette bags and whether the hue of the khaki is more reddish or yellowish
« Last Edit: 06 September 2013, 07:55:50 AM by bedwyr »

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950; now with the August unit
« Reply #27 on: 02 September 2013, 07:35:13 AM »
Great going  :D

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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950; now with the August unit
« Reply #28 on: 02 September 2013, 09:21:10 AM »
I am really enjoying the informative nature of this thread, you have me wondering about renegade legionnaires now.
 8)

And camels? Gotta do camels!
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Re: (Army Painters) French Foreign Legion 1910-1950; now with the August unit
« Reply #29 on: 02 September 2013, 09:29:47 AM »
I've got six chasseurs surplus  to let  ;) and if You shorten the rifles you can use them up to WW2 (I have actuallythought about that)

as You can see from the command figures, they are absolutely compatible with Artizan, although stylistically quite different.

please share Your thoughts and experiences about meharistes and camels in miniature

 

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