The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Mason]

Any word on how much the Citadel Water for it will be?   

Also, will it be in Primaris scale or will that come later...?

[beefcake]

They'll sell you a special bundle of the cup and the water at twice the price of adding them to your cart separately purely for the convenience of it.

[Andrew Rae]

I just wish they'd said "This is the scale we do Marines in now - your old models are still valid but we wanted to use what we've learned to make them true scale" rather than make up the convoluted lore around the Primaris. That way they could've gradually upscaled any other marine variants (including all the Chaos) as time went by. Sure it would've felt annoying to be out of scale if you had old armies but at least there wouldn't be weird lore contradictions.

Can you imagine the fuss if they had though? It would be worse than people complaining about Primaris. Changing base sizes was bad enough!

And the noise would go on and on until every existing Space Marine model had been remade in the new scale, which would never happen because GW are now much more about adding new things than endlessly reworking and replacing old models like they used to.

[waitwhat]

Can you imagine the fuss if they had though? It would be worse than people complaining about Primaris. Changing base sizes was bad enough!

Honestly, I think it would have been better.

"Square bases are staying"

"This isn't the end of Warhammer"

"You can still use all of your old models"

The half truths are far worse than a policy of transparency because they erode trust. There'd be an outcry sure, but better clean and clear than dragged out and deceitful.

[mcfonz]

I don't think people can justifiably say that things shouldn't change unless they want every business in the world to collapse.

The same as people can stand there and say they wish that VW Golf's were still made to the same spec as 1985, but realistically the demand isn't there amongst other things like safety standards having changed etc.

I'm too long in this game to care now. I like something I buy it. If I don't, I take my money elsewhere. There are entire ranges of GW back catalog I watch people swoon over without any knowledge as to why, they weren't even considered good back then . . .

I like the new Primaris, I bought the cheap ones on the front of Conquest mag and converted them using cheap parts bought from here and there. I won't go out of my way for either game now.

And all of the things people tend to worry about like bases and old models only comes into it if you intend to take part in any official tournament. I never had the inclination so those things never even phase me.

Also, personally, I think things look better on round bases.

There, I said it.

Bite me!

[Brummie]

Have to agree with you there Fonz. Also never got why people were so much into some older models.

Take those Chaos Space Marines, they're proper ropey

[waitwhat]

Have to agree with you there Fonz. Also never got why people were so much into some older models.

Take those Chaos Space Marines, they're proper ropey

The argument for old models was never about better or worse but about models owned and painted already. One might think that is also a matter only for the tournament gamer, but that seems to be dismissively ignorant of the kids who form the majority of the market and their need to play at games in the same group or shop.

Railing against change is indeed futile and short-sighted, but not to be conflated with complaints about deceitful implementation of change. I'm pretty sure the vast majority  would be happier with a scale reset than the primaris lore nonsense.

[Andrew Rae]

How is the addition of Primaris marines deceitful?

[waitwhat]

How is the addition of Primaris marines deceitful?

The claim that they aren't replacing "normal" space marines. Call a spade a spade - it's about a scale reset to protect IP with the happy upside of selling more stuff. In GW land* square bases are functionally dead, your old models are not usable, and warhammer did die.

*yeah most people here won't care about GW land (myself included), but that doesn't mean it isn't true for those who do.

[Andrew Rae]

"Call a spade a spade".

They did. They called them Primaris marines which communicates they have no intention of ever replacing little marines on a like for like basis.

Little marines will be available until they don't sell enough to be viable. That will be years from now.

[AWu]

They'll sell you a special bundle of the cup and the water at twice the price of adding them to your cart separately purely for the convenience of it.

Chaps.. This IS the old news

[waitwhat]

"Call a spade a spade".

They did. They called them Primaris marines which communicates they have no intention of ever replacing little marines on a like for like basis.

You and I have very different understandings of how marketing works.

[Andrew Rae]

It's certainly true I don't see deceit behind perfectly clear and understandable product decisions.

[waitwhat]

It's certainly true I don't see deceit behind perfectly clear and understandable product decisions.

You and I have very different concepts of perfectly clear and understandable product decisions.

[Andrew Rae]

That was obvious from your first comment. Remember; you don't care, right?

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Anyway, WQ Blackstone Fortress looks quite interesting. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/04/the-blackstone-fortress-awakens/