Standard bases size for rules ?? will the day ever come ?

[LawnRanger]

This must be every wargamers nightmare ! the rules are great BUT your army is Based UP all WRONG !!aaaaaahhhh
Yes we can play them on that size base BUT deep down you know that it does not feel right .


BUT now it  look like that most rules are now singing on from the same sheet the last two set of rule DBX and Fields Of Glory are 40mm width with the same amount of figs on them ..could this be IT we have a standard base size for gaming in 15mm ancient's

IF not WHY can't we all agree on a standard base size for EVERY  period ??  now that's what I want for xmas 

Happy gaming LR

[Conquistador]

This must be every wargamers nightmare ! the rules are great BUT your army is Based UP all WRONG !!aaaaaahhhh
Yes we can play them on that size base BUT deep down you know that it does not feel right .


BUT now it  look like that most rules are now singing on from the same sheet the last two set of rule DBX and Fields Of Glory are 40mm width with the same amount of figs on them ..could this be IT we have a standard base size for gaming in 15mm ancient's

IF not WHY can't we all agree on a standard base size for EVERY  period ??  now that's what I want for xmas 

Happy gaming LR

But 40 mm bases are too big for skirmish figures for any period!     At any scale!

Gracias,

Glenn

[LawnRanger]

But 40 mm bases are too big for skirmish figures for any period!     At any scale!

Gracias,

Glenn

Don't you think I mean Wargames as like big battles Not Skirmish rules ? when we play 15mm games its like 400+ on the table ..

I don't think skirmish rules worries  too much about base size or even shape of the base as long as they are on single bases  ?and we do skirmish in 40mm and 52mm at are club so a 40mm base size would fit in!

I did mention it applied that it was for 15mm figures on a   40mm width ,but most people would under stand what I mean when I mentioned dmx/fog as every scale does have a different base size to it rules  that's common sense.  

the only time bases slightly annoy me is when I have some on coins and some on slottas, its due to the height difference.

What I have noticed is once the hit the table in a fun game you suddenly forget all about it because you dont see it surprisingly.

Yet again we  don't ALL  game in 25/28mm games on a skirmish table .Some of us play 15mm ect and this is where the rule and base size does matter...

 we cant have 400+ figs on coins as it would take us a LONG time to move them all and it just does not look right in a big game , you need to depict close order /open order troops and having them all on coins does not work ! That's why we base them up in the first place .

I hope you under stand what I am trying to say .LR

[Mr Tough Guy]

we cant have 400+ figs on coins as it would take us a LONG time to move them all and it just does not look right in a big game

I disagree, although not on coins, I've had 400+ on slottabases in a game and that's even without movement trays , but I do get your point it depends on the game/person playing army type if it's workable

[Vermis]

BUT now it  look like that most rules are now singing on from the same sheet the last two set of rule DBX and Fields Of Glory are 40mm width with the same amount of figs on them ..could this be IT we have a standard base size for gaming in 15mm ancient's

That's most rules, is it?

Basing occupies an inordinate amount of my army planning time. 100x80 for Kings of War, 60x30 etc. for HoTT, 60x60 for Mayhem, or individual for God of Battles etc. etc....? I don't know if I'd entirely like the look of individual bases stuck in even an elaborate movement tray (not with my diorama fetish) but at the mo I have a feeling that's the way to go to get a bit of cross-compatability out of my fantasy 28s.

Basing 10s and 15s is simplicity itself in comparison, IMO.

[LawnRanger]

That's most rules, is it?

No but you will find that HoTT is covered by DBX and for 15mm games they have  a base of 40mm frontage as well so you can play DBM ,DBMM ,DBR with historical figs as well  , I don't have  the other rules BUT maybe they do have a frontage of 40mm for 15mm figure,  I do think that ancient's and medieval even renascence period its coming standard is there any other rules that use the 40mm frontage for 15mm . 
 

Basing occupies an inordinate amount of my army planning time. 100x80 for Kings of War, 60x30 etc. for HoTT, 60x60 for Mayhem, or individual for God of Battles etc. etc....? I don't know if I'd entirely like the look of individual bases stuck in even an elaborate movement tray (not with my diorama fetish) but at the mo I have a feeling that's the way to go to get a bit of cross-compatability`s out of my fantasy 28s.

Just don't think movement trays work with bigger size units is ok when you game in fantasy and have units of 5 or 10 figs flying around the board ,but when you have units of 36/40 figs in a unit  frontage is a joke if you have them on trays ,As a pike unit or musket units (unless skirmish order  )are in tight formation not open order  .and I don't think you can get 15mm/10mm movement trays . god its bad enough basing the buggers on 4 at at time let alone basing them 1 at a time that would take days to do .

That's why historical gaming you just don't see armies on movement trays.

I disagree, although not on coins, I've had 400+ on slottabases in a game and that's even without movement trays , but I do get your point it depends on the game/person playing army type if it's workable

 

that must of took you ages to move ,did it not slow the game down a bit ? moving each figure 1 at a time 

surely having them on bases speeds up the game and helps the movement out a lot.


In British Grenadier ,Shako II and Age of Eagles have the same frontage for inf.. 20mmx25mm  you get 4 figs on base with 15mm figs .Does any other musket rules use this size bases in 15mm ?

Basing 10s and 15s is simplicity itself in comparison, IMO.

Not sure about that they can be very fiddly basing 4 figs on a 40mmx 15mm then you have to add flock ,brush ect.. and you have 200-300 figs to do ! back breaking . I would rather base a unit of my 1812 yanks in 28mm than base 2 units of 15mm stuff .
and basing the old WRG rules 4 figs on a 30mmx 10mm  was even worst   





 

[Conquistador]

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That's why historical gaming you just don't see armies on movement trays.
 
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Actually I see that fairly frequently.  Polemos (6mm Baccus) larger battle rules has 60 mm x 60 mm basing or two 60 mm x 30 mm ( for smaller battles) bases together - often, but not always, on... sabot bases (aka movement trays.)  https://www.baccus6mm.com/index.php?content=polemos

Stands can vary for rules such as (http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/default.aspx) Specialist Military Publishing's Blizkrieg Commander II, Cold War Commander, and Future War Commander too I believe. 

The last says "The game can be played at one of three levels: 1 base = 1 Platoon (the scale the game was designed for), 1 base = 1 Squad or Individual Vehicle, or 1 miniature = 1 Soldier or Vehicle. The ground scale is 1cm = 20m or 1cm = 10m respectively. One turn represents up to 30 minutes of real-life action."

There may be self-proclaimed "standard basing" sizes for particular eras in historical gaming but there are plenty of exceptions.  And I doubt highly the "standard base size" will work for ancients, 7YW, Napoleonics, WW1, and WW2 equally well.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

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In British Grenadier ,Shako II and Age of Eagles have the same frontage for inf.. 20mmx25mm  you get 4 figs on base with 15mm figs .Does any other musket rules use this size bases in 15mm ?
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I don't use Volley and Bayonet but there the standard bases are 3" squares IIRC.  All scales are on 3" bases, again IIRC.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

I don't get "... frontage is a joke if you have them on trays..." when the purpose of movement trays can also be standard sized unit bases (it was used in a casualty removal type rules whose name I can't remember right now.)

I use 6 mm and 25 mm figures both for skirmish games and mass battle games. 

Movement trays (scale independent) with magnetic surface and metal bottoms of figures (it can be reversed, which I use,) gives you (mostly old school 25 mm in my case) figures that can be removed from unit trays and deployed in skirmish games - double duty.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

I get the impression that you are inferring that "historical" battle war games are pre-gunpowder and/or 15 mm in sized figures.  I find that 15 mm figures are definitely much rarer in historical battle war games after the invention of rapid fire repeating rifles or machine guns much less vehicles/indirect fire artillery.

Just my experience...

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

"... every scale does have a different base size to it rules  that's common sense...."

I think every scale has multiple base sizes depending on the era and what the rules are trying to represent. 

Squads at 25 mm may or may not be multiple figure based and the base size of multiple based squads might vary for a historical period where the need to spread out might not be such an imperative from one where bunching up means dying.

Rules with bases representing Companies in the ACW will may likely represent a smaller area (hence likely a smaller base?) than Companies in a much later period when mechanization of heavy weapons make dispersal a necessity for figures of the same size (rant, pet peeve - xx MM is not a scale, rant over.)

Gracias,

Glenn

[LawnRanger]

SO do you think we can get a common base size for each period and  scale .. ??