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Author Topic: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.  (Read 22691 times)

Offline Steve F

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2014, 04:40:42 PM »
Hard to imagine a nomadic hunter would take the time to shave every day.

Hunter gatherers have a lot more free time than farmers, factory workers or office serfs.  And flint knives were sharper than anything short of surgical steel, so the technology for shaving would have been there from the mesolithic.

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2014, 05:08:26 PM »
can we skip this hairy thing? it's reconstruction - we'll never know unless they find one frozen in ice - same like the feathers with dinosaurs....

can anyone tell why Steve can't work for both companies? Mike Owen does comission for half a dozen...

Offline AndrewBeasley

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2014, 07:32:33 PM »
Hunter gatherers have a lot more free time than farmers, factory workers or office serfs.  And flint knives were sharper than anything short of surgical steel, so the technology for shaving would have been there from the mesolithic.

Have to disagree with this as the current research shows that it was the move to farming that allowed the growth on none gathering roles in the groups.  With less pressure on the group to find food evry day other roles such as tanners, metal workers became possible and as specialists helped to remove pressure on other parts of the group trade of skills for food via barter grew.

I think shaving would have been required (though to what level is questionable) solely for hygiene and practice reasons.  Having had a full growth for 20 years I can testify a short beard is easier to live with than a full growth but takes more time to keep neat and tidy than shaven.

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2014, 09:11:38 PM »
 lol

I must say I cannot see how the three statements in the previous post are related in any way in argument. They are not even contradictory....

Hunter gatherers have a lot more free time than farmers, factory workers or office serfs.
very true. relation to shaving? both shaving and non shaving hunter-gatherers as well as agriculturalists, pastoral nomads etc. are known. I personally would not relate shaving to "free time". besides, free time is a modern concept that juxtaposes "work time". long debate ensues  ;)

  And flint knives were sharper than anything short of surgical steel, so the technology for shaving would have been there from the mesolithic.

This is very true, even sharper than surgical steel, but
I am not sure if anyone made experiments on shaving with flint...so, Assumption: in order to shave with flint a straight, non retouched blank is needed, say a "preferential flake". Since we are discussing the cultural technique of shaving, the skill of a standardized production is needed.
To make things easy, let's say le Vallois flint technology, the Mousterian of the middle paleolithic, 250KY BP.
(in terms of lithics, the Mesolithic is known for standardized small implements and standardized blade technology that optimizes it)

the current research shows that it was the move to farming that allowed the growth on none gathering roles in the groups.  With less pressure on the group to find food evry day other roles such as tanners, metal workers became possible and as specialists helped to remove pressure on other parts of the group trade of skills for food via barter grew.

very true; the development of division of labour as summed up from the Mesolithic to bronze age. some 7000 years at least....
a bit oversimplified in terms of the causality chain. Relation to intra- or intergroup differentiation through hair grooming? hm..... :?

I think shaving would have been required (though to what level is questionable) solely for hygiene and practice reasons.

have read this theory, derived from the shaving of body and head hair in the early antiquity (development and growth uf urbanism) and related to avoidance of hygiene problems, yet Egyptians, Hitites, Sumerians, You name it, had very elaborate beard fashions, and these can harbour lice too, as well as the hair pieces that covered the shaven heads...
I am not convinced....

I prefer the simple approach:
we do not know the phylogenetic diversity expressed in the facial hair neither from Neanderthal nor from Cromagnon.
The prevalance of facial hair in modern populations that originate from the home of the neanderthals (just to preempt a possible argument  ;)) could seduce to the hypothesis that Neanderthals were bearded (in fact I would rather opt for the tradition of how the "primitive" hominids were portrayed, barbarians).
The absence of facial hair in modern african population could also lead to depicting the theory "out of africa II" of the home of the Cromagnon by showing them without facial hair.
Especially when wanting to juxtapose them as "different"  from Neanderthal. Or more cultured, intelligent, superior, pick the racist sterotype of your choice  >:D

differing physique=different culture
not a valid equation (maybe in the 19th century)
different subsistence=different technologies=different social techniques
not a valid equation either


tasty red wine+access to internet forums?

maybe not a good idea for me  ;)
« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 07:33:08 AM by bedwyr »

Offline AndrewBeasley

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2014, 06:03:47 PM »
...
tasty red wine+access to internet forums?

maybe not a good idea for me  ;)


But a lot easier to get to than a time machine  :D

Putting the thoughts aside - maybe all figure manufacturers should create shaven figures for this period then sell add-on beards or green stuff!  At least you can then go with your own thoughts and it would be a lot easier than trying to shave a figure  :o

(Sorry not enough red wine)

Offline Steve F

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2014, 06:22:54 PM »
add-on beards

Now there's a Kickstarter!

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2014, 06:45:28 PM »
 lol
ace! especially as I am awful at sculpting beards. My only try so far was glueing sand to the face...
Guess one couldn't even call it sculpting

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2014, 06:51:04 PM »
oh, no scarcity in that department....
You can look the legionnaire up in my army thread  ;)

Offline Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2014, 11:37:33 PM »
seriously? I thought most sculptors worked freelance without competition clause....

WG or GW?   :-[

Offline RAD

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2014, 12:13:26 AM »
Does anyone heard any news from Steve Saleh concerning this range? I'd love to see at least two packs of cro mags to have at least some opposition to the neanderthals. Maybe women and children hopefully. This small range is IMHO one of the very best i've seen.

Offline Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2014, 01:37:39 AM »
He is developing a background. Previews on facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/lucideyeminiatures?fref=photo

Much stuff coming to Arcane Scenery from December forward.  :D
« Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 01:39:49 AM by Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye »

Offline fitterpete

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2014, 02:43:47 AM »
Oh wow that looks really promising!

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #87 on: November 18, 2014, 07:36:25 AM »
Good! I always knew "10000 BC" was a solid wargaming setting!

Offline axabrax

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2014, 02:28:28 PM »
Sweeeeeet!  How'd I miss all this?! So long as Steve remains the sculptor, I'm in for all of it!  :D

Offline AndrewBeasley

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Re: neandertal question, lucid eye vs acheson creations.
« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2014, 10:49:49 PM »
Oh wow that looks really promising!

+1 to that.

 

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