1860s New Zealand Wars

[Arteis]

Just seen a new range of Maori from Eureka

That's interesting, Carlos.  However, I can't see them on the Eureka website. Can you provide a link by any chance?

Eureka did do a small Maori range a few years ago.  But those figures were more like true 25s, so didn't fit so well with the Eurekas.  I just sold my old Eurekas the other day.

[carlos marighela]

Sorry Roly, They've only just been cast up this week, I was in at Eureka on Friday so I had a look at the new toys.
These are brand new 28mm sculpts (Alan Marsh I think) and definitely not the old Mike Broadbent ones. Not my period of particular interest but they were such nice figures I might pick one or two up for the hell of it. There's even a character figure, somewhat bigger than the rest, depicting Maui with his net dragging up New Zealand from the depths. The rest are a mix of warriors and chiefs with traditional weapons plus a bloke blowing a conch shell or maybe just smoking an enormous conch shaped spliff.

[von Lucky]

I have seen these too. They are Alan Marsh sculpts, being very similar in style/size/quality/authenticity/wairua of the Empress ones.

They are on my list for those reasons and more.

[Arteis]

Very interesting - I'll keep my eyes out for them!

We've got a conch shell in our office where I work, which is used for welcome ceremonies.  I've tried blowing it, but there is a real skill, and all I can produce is a rather insipid farting sound.  When in the hands of someone who knows what he is doing, the sound is really impressive, like a ship's fog horn. 

[Poiter50]

Or a really good fart?!! 

Very interesting - I'll keep my eyes out for them!

We've got a conch shell in our office where I work, which is used for welcome ceremonies.  I've tried blowing it, but there is a real skill, and all I can produce is a rather insipid farting sound.  When in the hands of someone who knows what he is doing, the sound is really impressive, like a ship's fog horn. 

[Lowtardog]

Looking forward to seeing these minis and perhaps buying the odd one

[Atheling]

Any updates Arteis? This is superb stuff and highly interesting!

Can't wait to see more.... going to make a Perry and Empress order very soon.

BTW, have you any pics of Maori in the 1870's? The reason I ask is that I think their attire would be more European than was the case in the 1850's(??).

Darrell.

[Atheling]

Are these sailors any good for the 1860's?

[Atheling]

And....

What would the Perry Mounted equivalent be for these OG mini's (If indeed there is an equivalent at present)?

[Plynkes]

Are these sailors any good for the 1860's?

No, not really. Top hats on the officers are a bit out of fashion by then. Dress regulations had been brought in during the 1850s, and for the seamen the peakless cap became the standard wear (with a white linen cover for hot weather introduced in 1863) rather than those funny little tarred hats those figures have (wide-brimmed straw hats were also worn in hot climates). Jackets were regulation for cold weather but I think you'd be more likely to see seaman donning the familiar frock with the big blue collar with three white stripes.

Also, by the 1860s beards and moustaches were permitted. The 1860s were the decade of the ridiculous beard (although the decade we are in now is starting to rival it), so you'd want at least some of your men sporting them if you want that 1860s feel.


Having said all that, even though there were dress regulations by this time, they were also rather flagrantly ignored by all and sundry, and the untidy and non-uniform appearance of both officers and men was something the papers regularly got into a tizz about.

[Atheling]

Also, by the 1860s beards and moustaches were permitted. The 1860s were the decade of the ridiculous beard (although the decade we are in now is starting to rival it), so you'd want at least some of your men sporting them if you want that 1860s feel.


Having said all that, even though there were dress regulations by this time, they were also rather flagrantly ignored by all and sundry, and the untidy and non-uniform appearance of both officers and men was something the papers regularly got into a tizz about.

So, a bit of putty may be the answer? Not that I'm going down that route just yet..... just keeping it all min mind with the Perry releases mounting up.

Darrell.

[Plynkes]

Yeah, I suppose. Those jackets and hats were still in evidence in the 1860s, but I feel more as best togs for when Her Majesty reviews the fleet at Spithead than for fighting ''orrible savages' in. I'd be happier with fellas in square rig with caps or sennet hats maybe, those guys look a bit old timey for me. But that's just a feeling, really. And beggars can't be choosers, I guess. Don't know what else I'd suggest instead, except perhaps something from an Indian Mutiny range (but hot weather stuff like neck-flaps and tropical helmets would be a problem then). I think if they had suitable beards and if you dumped the fellow with the top hat they'd just about do.


Oh, by the way, it was moustaches and beards. You had to have both or neither in the 1860s, keep them neat, and it was all at Captain's discretion. So if he didn't like beards you couldn't have one, whatever the regs said (which you could possibly give as an excuse for not bearding them up).

And don't ask me if that gun would be right. I know almost nothing about artillery.  

[Atheling]

Yeah, I suppose. Those jackets and hats were still in evidence in the 1860s, but I feel more as best togs for when Her Majesty reviews the fleet at Spithead than for fighting ''orrible savages' in. I'd be happier with fellas in square rig with caps or sennet hats maybe, those guys look a bit old timey for me. But that's just a feeling, really. And beggars can't be choosers, I guess. Don't know what else I'd suggest instead, except perhaps something from an Indian Mutiny range (but hot weather stuff like neck-flaps and tropical helmets would be a problem then). I think if they had suitable beards and if you dumped the fellow with the top hat they'd just about do.


Oh, by the way, it was moustaches and beards. You had to have both or neither in the 1860s, keep them neat, and it was all at Captain's discretion. So if he didn't like beards you couldn't have one, whatever the regs said (which you could possibly give as an excuse for not bearding them up).[/

Thanks as per 

And don't ask me if that gun would be right. I know almost nothing about artillery.  

I'd better keep my next question to myself then 

Darrell.

[carlos marighela]

You are probably best off using the Foundry  Indian Mutiny sailors in sennet hats. IIRC there might be some gun crew there too, I know there was a stonking great 64pdr gun. If not the naval gunners from their Crimea range would probably do the trick.

[carlos marighela]

Crimean naval gunners.

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/crimean-war/british/crimean-war-british-gun-crews-collection-bccmb006/

Armed sailors.

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/colonial/indian-mutiny/indian-mutiny-british-ghurkhas-and-highlanders-collection-bc/

Seems the Crimea range was the only one with naval gunners.