Agincourt Plastics

[Mr.J]

What is the earliest the Perry miniatures can be used from? I'm most bothered about the archers but it would be handy to know with regards to the men at arms as well.

I'm planning my next project and trying to work out what to buy at Salute.

Thanks for your help.

[Captain Blood]

Well the box states a weirdly narrow date range of 1415 - 1429... (Agincourt to Orleans, in fact  )
Not sure anyone would really argue that armour and weapons depicted in the set were specific to that 14-year time slot though 
I'm happily mixing components from this set in with my WoTR forces which are (notionally) 1455 - 1485.
Admittedly the longbowmen figures in the long gambesons are rather specific to the earlier C15th (or late C14th).
But I persist in my belief that expensive items of arms and armour (if not entire 'tailored' suits) would have been well maintained, handed down and re-used.

Much more importantly, it's a really beautiful set of figures, so buy a box anyway. You won't regret it 

[westwaller]

On their website, the Perry say the archers can be used for a bit earlier than Agincourt iirc Something like the 1340s I think?

[westwaller]

1380s maybe a bit earlier, it says about the archers, in the workbench info.

[OSHIROmodels]

Much more importantly, it's a really beautiful set of figures, so buy a box anyway. You won't regret it 

Are you sure you're not on commission 

cheers

James

[Mr.J]

Thanks for the info.

Captain Blood it's a toss up on what period I do, either way I'll be using Perry plastics, just trying to decide what I want to do. Consider me sold though.

[le bon roi rene]

Given how the Perry's have been decades long at research and have been members of very prestigious re-enactor companies (Company of Saynte George) I am very comfortable with their specificity here. The first decades of the 15th Century coincide with a pretty dramatic burst of armor evolution so it makes sense to have a narrower window to avoid anachronisms.

Nicopolis is probabaly a hair too early for the Harness styles, and anything after the 1430s the kit looks far too dated. Archers are a little more charitable as they weren't at the cutting end of fashion and more importantly, technology. I think anything between Bretigny and Battle of Orleans is pretty credible. I think by the time you get to the 1440s the fashions are starting to catch up with the more common soldiery and WotR models become more appropriate.

Cheers,
Fred

[janner]

My rough and ready guide would be as follows.

Any figures in harness with plate gorgets are pretty much restricted to c.1400 onwards. Tall and pointed great bassinets can be stretched a bit further back, but no really beyond c.1390, with pointed visors turning up around a decade earlier. However, full great bascinets themselves go back to c.1350

Faulds (overlapping horizontal bands of plate worn as skirts) appeared c.1370 with brigandines appearing about the same time.

Besegaws, the circular plate at elbow, knee, and shoulder joints, appeared c.1360 with fans appearing about a decade later.

In short, I'd agree that Nicopolis sits pretty close to left of arc for the range overall with the odd figure being useful earlier.

[Mr.J]

Thanks for all the responses. It was actually their application to earlier periods that I was most interested in as I'm considering doing a project around Henry Bolingbroke as, although his reign immediately precedes this period, many have mention a lot had changed in a short space of time.

Still torn between that and a proper WOTR project though, so just formulating my next move.

[janner]

I'd say most'd be just about okay for his crusading force, and many would do for the Lords Appellant's Rebellion. Just watch out for plate gorgets etc.

[Atheling]

Strictly speaking, if you just take the box on it's own and don't add other components then you're really looking at a 1415-1430 timescale.

Darrell.