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Offline Doctor Merkury

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« on: January 16, 2007, 01:48:59 PM »
Anyone have a good list of sources for this period?  Especially looking for TO&Es of Russian, British, and Turkish forces for this period.

I do have:

Peter Hopkirk's "Setting the East Ablaze"
Charles Gallenkamp and Michael J. Novacek "Dragon Hunter"
Evan Mawdsley "Russian Civil War"

any more out there?

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 04:44:19 PM »
Hi I have two interesting Book´s

Firt one is
Sibirien Transfers
from Hans Herlin
These is a Book abaut a Train with the gold of the tsar and a few agent´s looking for these train.(In 1918 cvil war)
The book is more a thriller with not so much aktion but ist is a nice story for a campaign.

the secund is
Beasts,Men and Gods
From Dr.Ferdinand Ossendowski
A story abaut the escape from Ossendowski from Russia .
He meet ungern sterberg gos to tibet and Mongolia .
Nice story with a good    overview abaut the region.

Hope that help you

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 08:16:31 PM »
This post will be interesting but, If I could say sothing could you put the title in black (use tag ) with the writer name just after. It will be more simple to see the final books list.

Thanks  :wink:

Stéphane

Edit: I've missing somthing, do not forget to indicate the language  :mrgreen: and his true book's title in.
Les Vicissitudes Ludiques (french text, but colored picutres)

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 08:28:03 AM »
There is Corto Maltese in Siberia by Hugo Pratt. A graphical novel, you know, but quite good.

And there is My Life as an Explorer: The Great Adventurers Classic Memoir and other books by or about Sven Hedin, the man they called the last adventurer

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 09:10:57 AM »
If you mention Corto Maltese, don't forget The Golden Hhouse of Samarkand. The setting is in turkey and russian central asia.
If you come for the king, you better not miss (Omar)

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 09:23:00 AM »
There is a book in German - Von Kabul Nach Schanghai - which is the travel diary of German WW1 officer who travels from Turkey to Kabul to assess if the Afghans could be a useful ally against the British by opening up a new front against Turkey.

I'm also interested to know if there are books about British forces in Northeastern Persia during WW1 and the RCW era.  I have read snippets about these forces in Peter Hopkirk's book, but no information on numbers, troop types and equipment.

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 11:39:01 AM »
I have searched a bit about Ungern.

IMHO the best (available) books on the subject in english or in french are :
White Terror: Cossack Warlords of the Trans-Siberian, by Jamie Bisher
http://www.geocities.com/atamansemenov/
Expensive but very very interesting and informative about the RCW in the Far East, the pan-Mongolian movement, Semenov, Ungern...

le baron Ungern, khan des steppes, by Leonid Yuzefovich/Youzéfovitch
I've got the french translation, but unfortunately it has not been translated to english. Don't know about german.

Qui suis-je  ? Ungern; by Erik Sablé
For those who can read french. With a strong bias towards Ungern, who is depicted as a romantic and virtuous soldier in a time of barbarism. The truth must lie somewhere between. This book also focuses on the links between Ungern and the Lamaist religions.
Denis

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 11:42:30 AM »
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Beasts,Men and Gods
From Dr.Ferdinand Ossendowski
A story abaut the escape from Ossendowski from Russia .
He meet ungern sterberg gos to tibet and Mongolia .
Nice story with a good overview abaut the region.


This book is available online in an english translation
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2067

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 11:56:17 AM »
There is this pair of books about a true story of a trip from Peking to Kashmir through Chinese Turkestan in 1935, without any visa.

Both protagonists (one reporter for The Times and the other for Le Petit Parisien) wrote down their story :
News from Tartary (courrier de tartarie), by Peter Fleming
Oasis interdites (forbidden journey), by Ella Maillart

Have not yet found the time to read them  :?

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 11:56:38 AM »
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Beasts,Men and Gods
From Dr.Ferdinand Ossendowski



i love this book, one of the best real adventure stories ever

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 07:00:22 PM »
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I'm also interested to know if there are books about British forces in Northeastern Persia during WW1 and the RCW era.


Wargames Illustrated 229 (Nov 2006) has an article about the Wagstaff mission in 1918. Quite detailed.

It also points to general Dunsterville's diary :
http://www.gwpda.org/Dunsterville/Dunsterville_main.html

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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2007, 02:54:25 AM »
On Secret Service East of Constantinople by Peter Hopkirk.

Covers The Germans (Great Game) in Persia and Afganistan, The RCW period in Persia, Afgahanistan, Transcaspia, Eastern Turkey and the Caucasus and the British adventures (Great Game) including their agents. This also includes some interesting conflicts (ideal scenarios) with the Reds in the East.

Mission to Tashkent by Colonel FM Bailey CIE, again another great Game involving the British and the Russians.

May I also suggest Hunted Through Central Asia and The Journal of Paul Nazaroff both by Paul Nazaroff.

Good luck with your book collection and reading :)

Helen[/b]
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2007, 04:02:01 AM »
Camps and Trails in China by Roy Chapman Andrews and Yvette Borup Andrews

A Narrative of Exploration, Adventure, and Sport in Little-Known China (1918)

Downloadable e-book:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12296
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2007, 08:46:34 PM »
Hopkirk's "on secret service east of constantinople" was also published as "Like Hidden Fire" and is a very, very good study of the efforts made during WW1 to stir up unrest in Persia and Afghanistan, the effect of the Russian revolution on the region and both the Dunsterville and Malleson interventions.

If you can find it, Uloth's "The 28th Light Cavalry in Eastern Persia and Russian Turkistan" covers the East Persia cordon (Seistan force) and parts of the Malleson mission from 1915 to 1919 (very old book though). The actions of the Seistan force during the period, intercepting turko-german spies with small forces of the 28th Lt Cav and the 19th Punjabis make for great skirmish scenarios.

The following is an excellent summary of the Malleson mission (1918-19) available onlinefrom the Conflict Studies Research Centre
http://www.defac.ac.uk/colleges/csrc/document-listings/caucasus/04%2802%29-MS.pdf

and this is a more wargamey site covering the same campaign
http://members.fortunecity.com/behindthelines/transcas.htm


Stuff covering Dunsterville etc tends to fall more into WW1 than BoB.

cheers
Steve

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 01:54:54 AM »
Hi, another book or two to add:

"Persian Expedition", The Australians in Dunsterforce 1918 by Alan Stewart; and

Tales os Sub-Lieutenant Ilyin by FF Raskolnikov - covers amongst other RCW areas -  and the capture by the Reds of Enzeli from the British.

God Bless

Helen

 

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