Scaling up an M1911 for a giant robot.

[palaeomerus]

An HG Gundam is 1/144 scale.

A normal infantry weapon that fits in the hand of a HG Gundam is about 1/12 scale. (I think).

Not a M1911 but still 1/12 in a 6" doll's hand
http://www.fg-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/2855390-image4-600x450.jpg

These gun models fit a 6" doll and most HG Gundams are around 5 inches tall so it will be a little big but not "GW Adeptus NecroGrimdarkus" huge.

http://m6.i.pbase.com/o1/00/263300/1/139289406.qzmO6HiD.gundam.JPG

So if I put a HG gundam model, say a GM or a Zaku on a table top with some Bolt Action 28mm guys and put a 1/12 gun in their hands it ought to look kind of okay, especially if I pull the rocket thrusters off.

I presume a normal 28mm figure's M1911 is a 1/56 model. A 1/12 thing is 4 & 2/3 larger than a 1/56 thing.

So can I define a 1/12 scale M1911 as 4 & 2/3 larger than a 1/56 M1911 in a 28mm world? And will the ammo scale up the same way?

.45 ACP is 11.43×23mm How do I scale that up 4 & 2/3 times?  

Is it (bore diameter x cartridge length) * ( Root of scaler) ?  
11.43 ( 2.16)mm x 23( 2.16) mm ?
24.25mm bore size x 49.68mm  cartridge length?

So is 24 x 50mm a reasonable 4 & 2/3 scaled up M1911 round for my HG Gundam's giant M1911?

Sort of a shorty snubby modern 25mm shell? Like THIS bore size, only 1/3 the cartridge length?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/US_Navy_090129-N-4774B-008_Gunner%27s_Mate_2nd_Class_Nicholas_Brassard_inspects_rounds_for_the_MK-38_25mm_machine_gun_system.jpg/1599px-US_Navy_090129-N-4774B-008_Gunner%27s_Mate_2nd_Class_Nicholas_Brassard_inspects_rounds_for_the_MK-38_25mm_machine_gun_system.jpg

How do you scale up ammo sizes just to be dimension correct? (Not interested in muzzle energy or realistic ranges. Just magni-macro-embiggenizing the volume of something without further due scrutiny)

I'm too lazy to pull out my geometry book. And it's late.



And I'm rather dumb.

[Frontiersman]

I would go to your local toy store and look for a six-inch action figure. I once had a 6 inch Punisher action figure that came with an AR style rifle and a couple different pistols. And check good ol' Evilbay.

[palaeomerus]

Does gepanzertpolterkommando make any sense in german? I like the idea of the germans calling their humanoid units rumble-commandos.

The US I imagine would have some dull dry functional contract-spec name like Urban Friendly Adaptive Multirole Medium Weight Armored Combat Utility Single Pilot WBHT M-52  U.F.A.M.M.A.C.U.

The British would maybe call it something more memorable probably like US Rivers. Mississippi, Red, Colorado, Ohio, Hudson etc.


I ordered three of the Desert Zaku (MSV version, not the Gundam ZZ one) for $7 ea and got a zaku canon for $9. But the bad news is I might not get them until late september or early october. Got a 1/100 Macross Phalanx Destroid coming too though I'm not sure for what exactly. But macross kits seem to be drying up. I also might have got a glaug but they were backordered.

In the mean time I have some zakus IIs, a zaku 1, three Doms.
I have some assorted GM's from MSG and the 0080, 0083 OAVs, and some of the 0080 version of the Guncannon (which I see as a slow tough dual-mortar carrier optimized to fight at range as fire support.)

I will use my Z'gock  as a German armed amphibious engineering robot designed to clear beaches of anti-armor obstacles and mines and such that is also decent as a fall back combat unit.

My Zogock will be the Zyclops and will be a nutjob's experimental test-bed machine that makes little sense as a product but is testing developmental systems that might have a role in future robot development.

But that's a ways off.  I have some left over dust stuff to throw in too like mickey's w/ phaser turrets(primitive rail gun)? some Bulldog four leg walkers, two six leg mobile command centers, lots of russian stuff and a few of the Ludwig/Luther walkers.

I think I will go with the Quad-> Biped -> single crew fully-Humanoid -> Enhanced humanoid (say four arms or big articulated guns in addition to arms) as the way development worked out.

[Westfalia Chris]

Does gepanzertpolterkommando make any sense in german?

Errr... no.  

I like the idea of the germans calling their humanoid units rumble-commandos.

If you mean "rumble" as in "low grumbling noise", then you could use "Panzer-Rumpelkommando". Doesn't make much sense, either, but it's at least grammatically correct. Somewhat.

The US I imagine would have some dull dry functional contract-spec name like Urban Friendly Adaptive Multirole Medium Weight Armored Combat Utility Single Pilot WBHT M-52  U.F.A.M.M.A.C.U.

The British would maybe call it something more memorable probably like US Rivers. Mississippi, Red, Colorado, Ohio, Hudson etc.

Well, official German designations were not imaginative, either. We could "out-dull-dry" the Americans on that, I am sure. But if you want a suggestive name, such as "Königstiger" (which is actually a post-war derivation from the British/US nickname, IIRC), there's a lot to draw from, although it would usually be pompous on a Wagnerian scale.

As for the original weapons angle of your post, I'm not convinced an M1911 (I assume you refer to the Colt ACP) would look imposing enough. Have you thought about using a Thompson Machinegun or M1 Carbine thingy? You could actually convert the Zaku machinegun by filling up the magazine bottom, then turning it 90° to resemble a drum magazine Tommygun.

[Westfalia Chris]

In order to kick the look into more of a ww2 aesthetic you might want to work some 1-56 tank kit parts into the build. 

Very much that. In particular, you could add some maintenance/crew hatches and stowage to bring the "visual scale" closer to the 28mm figures. Especially the newer HG Gundam kits have such fine detail that they (IMHO) look a bit too delicate, detail-wise, except next to fragile designs such as Infinity figures.

[palaeomerus]

I figured M1911's would be the easiest to get in that size, and I want a bit of Two-fistedness here and there to go with the diesel punk alt-history seriousness, which might include a character's mech doing desperate point blank torso shots with the M1911 during a clench.

I agree a giant mecha-thompson would be cooler but I don't have any and looking for those and MP-40's has not paid off yet. Everything I find is one gun in a set of others that I don't need for around $15 and those are backordered at HLJ.

[palaeomerus]

I downloaded sketchup and have messed around with it a bit. This might might take a little while.