The end and new beginnings of Dredd

[Sir_Theo]

Not fat enough but definitely a fatty in the making

http://blackcatbases.com/shop/figures/figures-civillians-townsfolk/female-civilian-casually-dressed/

[Ulfhednar]

Me too, though I think it's resin or plastic but too good fun not to get.

I have too much Dredd stuff. It's crazy how much I've ended up with, at the beginning I bought a brand new starter box set almost full price (£72!), then it arrived and looked like it had been in the Apocalypse War, the contents were fine but the box was wrecked (I think they must have a warehouse dog chewing things). Seemed crazy to pay full price for something potentially collectible that was so damaged / worn it had no collector value so decided to return it, then I got to buy a bundle with a new half price starter set in. Ace. Now the people I bought the wrecked one off have said if I want I can keep it and they'll refund half (£36). I reckon reselling it maybe £12 for each of the 2 box sets, £6 for each of the exclusive figures and I get a 2nd rulebook for free I can give to whoever else I get into this. Had an issue with a Judges of the World box set off exactly the same people for £24, 2 miscasts (Vatican Judge has no ears on his hat and Texas Judge is missing his left hand), so asked to return (bought another from somewhere else) and said I can keep it for £12. Probably not enough value in a part set and rest of figures though as odd figures of those aren't much use & people want the set.

edit re blackcatbases excellent, gone in my favourites. They have crazy people and bad nurses too. And robots and people with knee pads





In fact they have a few on their way to being fatties

[Ulfhednar]

Looking at Blackcatbases again, they stock Moonfleet miniatures who does these, described as Police Heroes, 5 in different poses in those uniforms (but they don't all look like Bruce Willis). Maybe someones citi-def or the basis of a Canadian Judge (they look quite warm, just need the hat), or maybe they are whatever the Scandinavians are doing. Maybe Cal-Hab something.




And they do 8 clown gangers too


I'd want to test one for scale though as Dredd is definitely heroic (albeit slim) and as I discovered with Konflikt47 true 28mm can look properly too small.

[Sir_Theo]

Black Cat bases do have some great eclectic stuff.  The Android taxis that moonfleet miniatures do are other things I want to buy at one point. 

[Ulfhednar]

They have got some interesting stuff, I've just emailed to ask them about how small / true or heroic / tall their 28mm is. I've just realised those Police Hero's with those padded collars are a lot like the Judge uniform from the last Dredd movie (as per this 1/6th scale figure).

[Rebel Minis]

As many of you know, we are always buying older lines and sculpts from other companies. I am proud to announce we have acquired certain models from the old 28mm Judge Dredd Line from Mongoose.
We did not get any of licensed characters, like Judges, ect but we did get some other great models.

Over the next couple of months we will be casting molds and releasing some figures. The first releases will be the


Purge Hunter Cultists (Old Demonic Cabal)Box set:



EF Militia (Old City DeF)



We have not added them to the site yet.. we are waiting for them to be painted but wehave some packs already cast if you need them. Each box set is $24.95. PM or email me at sales AT Rebel Minis.com

Thanks for all your support!

RebelMike
RebelMinis.com

[chromedog]

Cool.
So the cultist set remind me of the old Anderson possessed kid story (Gargarax?  "ackbar snackbar", etc? ).

[Ulfhednar]

That's great news about Rebel Mini's, I wondered if that might happen with the non Judge stuff as Rebel do some of the old Mongoose starship stuff, notably the original Mk 2 Holo's (Earth Force Widowmakers). They are on my list to order as they'd be perfect for East Meg holo's.

Also I'm going to guess if elements of the range have been sold off, it definitely means the range is OOP and not coming back. I wonder if we'll see a new range, and it will be smaller / more concentrated (perhaps like project X is), might be in the style of the latest film (a range of those Judges would pick up all the people currently invested in Warlord Dredd range as it augments it, and would pick up a lot of newbies too, perhaps especially in America where that Dredd image seems to have had greatest impact & appeal (you only have to look at 1/6th scale, they've gone crazy over the non licensed Armoured Cops that copy the last film).

May I ask, if you have the main citi-def unit, will you also be doing the citi-def reinforcements (a 3 pack blister of a guy with a sword, a chainsaw, and a Jaeger sniper)?

edit - and Warlord have now completely removed the Dredd icon from their homepage so that's their last reference to it gone, but they have a very cool Compound building set from Project X.

[n815e]

Glad to see that Rebel is going to have some of the line, and at a less expensive price, too.

[Ulfhednar]

Yes it's good, especially for those in America and Canada who must have had to play catch up with a lot of this. And good prices too, not so cheap (especially with importing from America) that it prevents people selling their 2nd hand Warlord / Mongoose stuff on at reasonable prices, but available so it stops people profiteering on the OOP stock & ripping people off for crazy prices.

And I guess it may not mean the end of the rest of the range, Warlord may selectively take on the Judge stuff themselves, they may be happy to let the CD set go as they'd reckon it's already been bought by those into the Dredd game, they'd maybe be better off with a new CD unit in a different uniform that would allow people to wargame block wars and would sell to existing Dredd players all over again. Or not, we can live in hope :-) I suspect Rebellion may try & take this opportunity to launch a new Dredd miniatures game based on the last film and new Judge uniform, modern, less comic and more gritty, it does seem to have had much more appeal in America than traditional Dredd did.

Btw, I got some KillerB figures to test for scale with Warlord (from their Starhide range that seems to match their Gafdoz stuff too). The humans are definitely too big (too tall and thick set / chunky) to go with Warlord Dredd, but not a problem as I only got a Sasquatch and a cowboy robot to go with my Blind Beggar Miniatures, and despite being big those work fine, the sasquatch looks proper sasquatch size and the cowboy robot works great as a big robo John Wayne (who was stupidly big, made all his horses look like ponies).

And I also got a few cowboy hover robots off them that scale fine, not too big and they have cool 2000AD style shoulder pads. My Badlands town now has its security, my Marshall has his deputies :-)



Also I think I've found the bosses for my Badlands town, and also maybe the leaders of a themed Meg 1 gang, George Washingtrumpton and his Agent Provocateurs, Pablo Revere and Melanie Gibson, who are probably going to try and start a demo(n)cratic (in association with cultists) revolution for liberty from mean Meg1 Justice oppression. They have laser flintlocks!

[Mason]

I think that I need to get a few of those KillerB offerings, both for my own Outland Sci-Fi setting as well as the Cursed Earth.
As you say, they will fit with the Blind Beggar stuff well enough.
 

[Ulfhednar]

It's that basic human desire to want to customise, the Blind Beggar Outlanders are brilliant as a complete core community, but the KillerB Sasquatch fits in so well with its styling and the theme, makes the group a bit different. And while it's big it works cuz it's a Sasquatch, called Bobo.

How many programs searching for them, just once Bobo finds one, but then...

[Ulfhednar]

Not wanting to move on from and people miss the post:

REBEL MINI's in America are going to be producing some of the Warlord / Mongoose Dredd figures that aren't obviously associated with the license / Dredd, so apparently no Judges, but so far they've revealed Citi-Def box set and Demon Cabal will be available from them at around $25 each. Apparently there will be other things too so definitely one to watch. They also have some old Mongoose Starship Trooper stuff like the original Mk2 holo suit, would work great as maybe an East Meg Holo suit.

Meanwhile, today I received some civilians from CP Models that I ordered to test for scale with Warlord Dredd. I can't get my head around scale, these are only fractionally bigger than the Gringos40 zombie hunters at true 28mm that were definitely a bit too small to go with Warlord Dredd, but they fit in with Warlord Dredd perfectly. This is great news as they have 5 or 6 sci-fi civilians / non combatants that will work with the Warlord Meg 1 citizens (I have a set and they go with them great), and while they're all nice, the 3 pack are exceptionally attractive figures and a real find. Another one of the civilians looks a lot like Karl Urban from the Dredd film. The 3 pack are very detailed in fancy clothes, you wouldn't want hordes of them or they'd be too busy, but in the mix they are brilliant. For how well they fit in & the really good price they are, these make as much if not more sense than the official Warlord / Mongoose citizens.



Also, I got a female crew member with scanner from their Starship Crew range, it's a really attractive figure but unfortunately it's a bit too small, matches up with the Gringos40s zombie hunter so I'd guess bang on true 28mm. With it being a female I can get away with that one figure, I'll use it with my Crooked Dice Time Lift Security (that are fractionally smaller than Warlord Dredd, not so much they don't go together but enough to help this work). A real shame as the CP models Starship crew are excellent and would have been lots of fun in Dredd.



They have some older Starship crew figures though, don't know if they're bigger smaller or same size.

Also in the box they included in a free figure (I'm assuming they didn't just pack it in error), which was the figure below. I hadn't checked because I'm not doing Aliens in Dredd (for now at least) so didn't realise CP models did so many Aliens, they're really good and some look really useful. The one I got has a very narrow head like a robot, in fact painted right it would just look like a combat droid so that's great. It's on the smaller side but not too small and as a robot it fits in fine anyway.



Looking at the Alien range I found they also have these.



They'd go great as mutants with the Midlam Miniatures green man set (that is cheap at only £6 for 3 34mm+figures) suggested previously as Father Earth (first pic below). And Crooked Dice have a plant mutant too, costly but massive (second pic below), a bit more swampy and they'd all do great as a bunch of Everglades or wilderness forest mutants or something. (I'm sure I remember a 1980's Steven King / Creepshow story where a man found a meteorite covered with alien spores that turned him into a mutant plant - here he is). Crooked Dice also have some new pretty gangers (last picture), and as long as they're consistent with their other stuff which they should be, I'm confident Crooked Dice will scale with Warlord Dredd fine, will get them in due course.

[Manchu]

FYI

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=439482

EDIT: nevermind, see he's already been by

[Ulfhednar]

It's really good news about Rebel mini's taking on those figures, they deserve a second life and America is perfect as there's probably not many noticed them before with them buried in the Dredd range.

Hopefully one last question about scale as I've got it mostly sorted now, but how does original 1987 Games Workshop Imperial Army scale to Warlord Dredd, like these people below? It's the same period Citadel were doing their Dredd and most of that seems to scale fine with Warlord, except their earliest Dredd figure which is small in comparison. I can't remember, I'd guess it must do but I figure it's worth checking, someone must know for sure as they were very common.

Does anyone have a clue how these guys would scale to Warlord Dredd?