The end and new beginnings of Dredd

[mcfonz]

Warlord Games obtain 2000 AD miniatures licence.
Warlord Games is to produce a new line of miniatures and games based on the legendary British comic book, 2000 AD!

http://www.warlordgames.com/warlord-games-obtain-2000-ad-miniatures-licence/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1aae0132e0-Warlord_Games_Wednesday_Newsletter_14th+Dec_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-1aae0132e0-132743957&mc_cid=1aae0132e0&mc_eid=4e56b04fde

For the Warlord announcement, might not add much more info but still, for completion.

[twrchtrwyth]

The possibilities.

[steders]

The Nemesis strip where the Termites lay siege to the giant tree always made me think of adeptus titanicus. Probably something to do with all the siege robots

[Muzfish4]

I concur with the common sentiment that Warlord picking up the 2000AD licence is a good thing.

I see that some of the old articles from Mongoose (Oz judges, Shamed judges, dinosaurs & etc) are now available for (free) downloading on the Warlord site.

[n815e]

I read a Rick Priestly article somewhere, in which he said Nemesis was one of the main inspirations for 40K.

[Wachaza]

I read a Rick Priestly article somewhere, in which he said Nemesis was one of the main inspirations for 40K.

The stuff in that picture and all the names used are now copyright GW.

[Wachaza]

Just a head's up as Mongrel seems to be in demand:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Judge-Dredd-ABC-Warriors-Mongrel-Very-Rare-OOP-FREE-Stan-Lee-Fergee-/252683285652?hash=item3ad518f494:g:Q24AAOSw5cNYUr29

Not me selling and no recommendation but I've bought one. Some other stuff as well in their other auctions.

[mcfonz]

I think their renaming of armies and units has proven that actually, they had no actual ability to copyright a number of things.

[Ray Earle]

This is officially A Good Thing

The whole history of 2000AD is now open to us....

Harlem Heroes!

Ace Trucking Co!

Meltdown Man!

even Death Planet!

Ooh, ooh! What about Metalzoic! That was mental.

Armoured Gideon. 

[twrchtrwyth]

Going off on a tangent, kind of. Has anyone thought of police units for Dredd? You see them crop up, maybe just in the earlier stories more than the later ones but there definitely seems to be a police force seperate from the Judges, who work with them and patrol independently. I was thinking Citi-Def could be used to represent them in terms of stats, but with better vehicles.

[Argonor]

I have quite a sizeable collection of Mongoose stuff from when Mongoose folded all its miniatures activities some years ago (and the game was called Gangs of Mega City One), when I bought almost am complete set of the range as it was back then, so I am not going to actually need more Dredd stuff for a long time being, but I am quite curious where this Warlord thing is going, though.

[robh]

I do wonder about Warlord's angle on this. The Dredd market is flooded currently so odds are a new range would not hold much appeal to existing gamers and could it really stimulate enough newcomers to justify it? How long would it be before Rebellion expect to see the IP in production.
Anyone here fancy cashing in their collections and buying the same things again new?

While the non-Dredd 2000AD cast are not nearly so well known and have much less pull on their own to support extensive ranges, especially if there is no "game" to go with them. So do we get a Rogue Trooper or Bad Company re-skin of Bolt Action, 

Where is the outlet for solo characters like Halo Jones or small teams like Robo Hunter or Strontium Dog (although maybe if Warlord pick up Rogue Stars like they have Frostgrave maybe there is a figure line there)

[Vindice]

You say a Bad Kompany reskin of Bolt Action as though that were a bad thing.  I'd play the hell out of that.

Then give me a prison break skirmish for Harry 20 On The High Rock and I'll die a happy man.

[mcfonz]

I do wonder about Warlord's angle on this. The Dredd market is flooded currently so odds are a new range would not hold much appeal to existing gamers and could it really stimulate enough newcomers to justify it? How long would it be before Rebellion expect to see the IP in production.
Anyone here fancy cashing in their collections and buying the same things again new?

While the non-Dredd 2000AD cast are not nearly so well known and have much less pull on their own to support extensive ranges, especially if there is no "game" to go with them. So do we get a Rogue Trooper or Bad Company re-skin of Bolt Action, 

Where is the outlet for solo characters like Halo Jones or small teams like Robo Hunter or Strontium Dog (although maybe if Warlord pick up Rogue Stars like they have Frostgrave maybe there is a figure line there)

Have to say I think this is wide of the mark.

Firstly, this range has taken so long to be put out that even those that backed it to the hilt haven't had everything yet. Secondly, the range as a whole wasn't great, and I don't think the rules appealed to the general market.

As a result, I never bought into the range further than the entry judge pledge that I never added to due the fact that so much of what was promised had no suggestion of what it would look like. One of the reasons I still refuse to back Kickstarters now.

I think with the right approach there is very much a market to be exploited out there. Sculpting on par with their better GoA sculpts and I would expect to see this sell well. Especially if they can make some sort of reasonably priced starter boxed game. Perhaps something a little bit like Deadzone maybe?

You have Rogue Trooper too.

The biggest point of interest for me is that it would seem that Warlord may yet hold onto some of the range from mongoose.

[Ulfhednar]

No time, in a rush like the white rabbit, but I don't think kickstarter is the right mechanism for something as already big / well known as Dredd, it makes it too exclusive / niche, by the time the general public see it it's already too much to get on board with, the scale (and associated expense of really giving it a go) is off-putting when presented with it all at the start rather than encouraging, so it puts newbies off and and also I think it must end up exhausting the enthusiasts. Imo (with limited knowledge & experience, just an objective observation) Kickstarters are for drilling into enthusiasts, Dredd doesn't need a niche market drilling it needs breaking out, going wide and making mainstream, hopefully Warlord and Rebellion see that and will take it there. Wargaming for Dredd (which has never been really viable even with the Mongoose range as while everything was covered there was no depth, not enough variation, East Meg & Cit-Def needed unit builders), Nemesis (cashing in on the whole 40k thing, or rather taking it back off GW who pinched it), loads of wacky robots (prices of old paranoia ones on ebay are insane), Rogue Trooper wargaming (effectively sci-fi WW1), and the new Dredd style off the Carl Urban film to exploit the cult status that gritty modern style has achieved in America. Loads and loads of potential. And if that's how they go then it's great for those with the Mongoose figures (in the traditional comic style) because that style could get moved on from, but the new stuff will keep it relevant and it will hold it's value or only increase :-)

edit - re the scale of what kickstarter landed was too big for general public & off-putting - I'm comparing it to Warlord's Project Z, that has started out small with a starter set offered to the public, and then new releases added as & when, including scenery (and if they have any sense, on a schedule of releases that help people budget and keep it affordable, or at least giving the perception that it is). It's treating the General Public as though they're kickstarters, they can get on board with it at ground zero, feel part of it rather than just a commercial passenger buying in, and grow with the game / miniature range as it does, over time, released in drips and buying hand to mouth, they'll not know how much they're getting into and not notice who much they've spent as they go along.

edit - and Rebellion / 2000AD cud help loads. I'd guess Apocalypse War is the most compelling stroy line from the comic to wargame Dredd (maybe alongside block wars). There's the potential to exploit already (with unit builders etc) but it's old, there isn't even a USSR anymore that could evolve into a Soviet East Meg. 2000AD should develop a new war type story series in the comic / Dredd, a Confederate free state in the badlands or internal uprising challenging Meg 1, Vril Cit, etc etc, and it would be worth their while, I think the miniatures / games could bolster the platform of interest they need to get the funding for another film. They need a properly cohesive strategy to (finally) take Dredd big time, they should see the miniatures (and comic) as a vehicle for that rather than just as money making enterprises on the side.