Gaming Agincourt in 28mm

[Captain Gideon]

Since I've gotten into 28mm Medieval gaming I've had this question which has been nagging me and that is how many 28mm figures would it take to recreate Agincourt?

And since Agincourt is the most famous Battle that was in the Hundred Years War I want to try and do it.

Since I don't know any of the rules that well I don't know what the scale of how many men a 28mm figure equals,for example in many Napoleonic rules using 15mm one mini equals 60 men.

I know that people have gamed Agincourt with various results but I don't know what the scale is.

What do you think.

Michael

[Mick_in_Switzerland]

As I answered on another forum

Here is my project with about 216 Perry figures.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=78682.0

[Thomas Thomas]

Depends on game system.

In A Game of Fire and Ice (for which I'm working on a HYW + Old Hammer version as I type) the figure scale is about 1-100.

As the English had 5-7K that's 50-70 figures.

The French had about 13-15K so that's 130-150 figures.

AS Fire and Ice is DBX based figures are mounted several (3-4) to a Stand.

So about 2 boxes of Perry's for the English and about three boxes for the French.

For a 1-1 system you would need - well alot....

Thomas J. Thomas
Fame and Glory Games

[Charlie_]

Since I don't know any of the rules that well I don't know what the scale of how many men a 28mm figure equals,for example in many Napoleonic rules using 15mm one mini equals 60 men.

It can be whatever you want really.

I'd argue the bigger the better, aesthetically at least (which is the whole point of this hobby for me!)

Personally I find games / projects with say just 100 or less models representing an army of thousands somewhat underwhelming... I'd rather 100 models representing a a skirmish with 100 men! But that's just me. 

[Captain Gideon]

Mick I do thank you for your answer on the other forum.

Thomas it's my belief that the French were at least 25,000 if not more at Agincourt with at least 7,000 Mounted Knights/MAA so if we use your scale of 1-100 then the French would have 250 figures with 70 of these figures being Mounted Knights/MAA.

Now I am more or less set with the English(using your scale)since I have around 200 English(including about 100 Archers).

So regarding what you said about your game do you have rules already?

And if so where can I find them?

Thanks
Michael

[Captain Gideon]

After thinking about it for most of the day I've decided to go with the figures of 25,000 or so for the French and 7,000-8,000 for the English and I'm going to stick with that.

[henryv]

That sounds a reasonable figure, my plans and figures seem to grow, I can't resist the Perry offerings. 

[Captain Gideon]

henryv I like Perry a lot most of my French and English are Perry mini's which are a mix of Metal and Plastic and the other thing I like is painting the figures I might not be perfect but they look good to me.

The one thing I'm surprised at is that they only do metal figures for the mounted but they don't do plastic and I wish they would.

So what are you thinking of doing with your figures?

Michael

[Mick_in_Switzerland]

Mounted plastic French knights are planned but probably not until 2018.

The Perry's have said that they are coming but so far they have not shown and greens. 
Normally the box comes about six to nine months after the greens are shown.

[henryv]

henryv I like Perry a lot most of my French and English are Perry mini's which are a mix of Metal and Plastic and the other thing I like is painting the figures I might not be perfect but they look good to me.

The one thing I'm surprised at is that they only do metal figures for the mounted but they don't do plastic and I wish they would.

So what are you thinking of doing with your figures?

Michael

Perry are excellent, the mold and cost, and number you get. I wouldn't worry about painting, I think I'm OK, but some posts on the forum make me realise I'm about average

You can get some Border "prickers" from the WR60 Light Cavalry that fit in with the HYW, what period are you modelling?

I tend to fight skirmish, using Lion Rampant rules, but my troop numbers seem to grow and grow.

 

[Captain Gideon]

henryv the period I'm doing is Agincourt more or less.

I also have Lion Ramphant but maybe there's a way to do Agincourt with this set of rules.

Michael

[henryv]

I would think you could, work out your troop ratio, then times up. I may have ago at that! Maybe 20 figures per 1000 troops. I have used that for Edward III wars.

I guess roughly that would be 20 Men-at-Arms, and 120 Archers. For the English

[Charlie_]

henryv the period I'm doing is Agincourt more or less.

I also have Lion Ramphant but maybe there's a way to do Agincourt with this set of rules.

Of course you shouldn't just be restricted to the battle of Agincourt itself! you can do all sorts of fun skirmishes and small-scale actions from the same campaign, which would suit the Lion Rampant rules well. And if you build up your collection, you could perhaps work towards using a bigger set of rules like Hail Caesar or Swordpoint for the actual Agincourt battle itself.

[Captain Gideon]

Charlie I plan on doing different size games starting small and getting larger once I get more figures.

Sometime next month I'll be doing my first Medieval game now the rules that my friend will be using is SAGA so I'll give it a shot and we'll see how it goes.

I plan on taking some pictures as well.

I think my overall goal is to run an Agincourt game as a Gaming convention sometime in the near future.

Michael

[Munindk]

Lion Rampant with several 24pt armies on the same side looks doable. At a convention it might also be an advantage to give each participant command of his one section of the army?