Can't wait to see and will enjoy this coming together. ;D ;D ;D
Let me know if you need anything for this mate, as I still have a few things left in my Old West bits box.
;)
Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!
It maybe just me misunderstanding, but....
I would think 'lethality' of old and new guns would be about the same. An 18th Century musket ball could do a lot of damage if it hit you. My guess would be that the most important factor would be the ability to hit the target rather than how modern the gun is.
Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!
At last!!! :D
I don't know if this would be too much "tactical" but keep in mind that the US cavalry carbines are quite subject to jam. Usually because the spent cartridge remained stuck in the overheated chamber.
So, maybe, if a US unit is keeping firing for "x" consecutive turn, there could be a chance of reduced effect due to jams.
It maybe just me misunderstanding, but....
I would think 'lethality' of old and new guns would be about the same. An 18th Century musket ball could do a lot of damage if it hit you. My guess would be that the most important factor would be the ability to hit the target rather than how modern the gun is.
Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!
Muskets were notoriously inaccurate at any distance unless firing at closely packed troops. 'Modern' rifles and carbines were more accurate but ultimately, the firer still had to be able to shoot worth a darn!! Arrow wounds would probably be as likely to kill in the long run due to gangrene, especially given that army medical care was rudimentary at best (despite what the movies tell you!) And yes, faster rate of fire, but shorter range.
What is interesting is that although the cavalry were pretty rubbish shooters, the Native Americans weren't necessarily that much better. Look at all those Apache ambushes where the tribesmen are sitting hidden in prepared positions and still don't cause hugely significant casualties. Their fire was ultimately more 'suppressive' than anything else, keeping the soldiers pinned down while the families escaped... If you're writing your own rules, pinning or suppression is an essential element to slow or prevent movement and reduce return fire...
I would have a different take on this. You said that you wanted your game to be more Hollywood in tone.
Thus, I have always found that trying to war game these wars based on reality is very hard and not all that accurate.
So, I say do it Hollywood style. Base your games and rules off of the movies ect. Add that sense of daring do and
save the last bullet for yourself type stuff. Likely will make for a more enjoyable game.
Yep, gets my vote. If yer doing Hollywood you can't have The Dook getting pinned down... and how, in hell, do you 'suppress' Captain Nathan Brittles, Sergeant Major Quinncanon and 'Captain' Tyree!!!???
I'll be looking forward to your thoughts on this.
Our group has been using a set of rules we developed several years ago that have been used successfully at conventions and within our own group. My personal thoughts are that the key to the rules is the inability of the Indians to depend on their forces being what they need and when they need it. People seem to like the affect of this on the game and on the flavor of their unique fighting style.
"Corporal Tyree, I'm ordering you to volunteer again."
The background is from my old desert boards from my 'Follow that Camel' project. http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72065.0
Some will be re-purposed for this project. I shall be making a start on the buttes at the weekend assuming the cork bark arrives this week.
Nice stat Gary, the figured look great. ;D
Just finished reading 21 pages of your 'Follow that Camel' project. Awsome and inspiring stuff!!!
Your first Indians look splendid, Hu Rhu. I too will follow your project with interest. Must say I salute your spirit of using classic Hollywood as your source material. I tend to do that in every period, of course, but when dealing with the Wild West it wins hands down. The Duke's films, and the atmosphere of the old Pony Wars rules set if you can find them, are a brilliant starting off point. Keep up the great work!
Guess what I'm doing this am? Making cork buttes. lol
Yes, cork bark seems to be all the rage on LAF just now. Everyone appears to be buying the stuff, picking it up off hiking trails, scraping the right sort of tree...it has all the marks of an hobbyist pandemic!
[suddenly I feel an urgent need for cork bark] :)
Looking forward to seeing how you create the iconic butte look. ;D
I’ve been making them identical to the ones I used at BLAM. No rock spires on mine.
I’ve now run out of cork. Where did you get yours from?
I’ve now run out of cork. Where did you get yours from?
That is a good start, mate.
Looking forward to watching the progress, especially with your buttes.
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Wanna buy some cork? I have several tubes :D
Good start Gary.
Yep,following with interest,sure to be good :)
Brilliant!
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Now I want some more myself.....damn you!
>:D >:D
;)
Well you can never have enough scatter terrain and those pegasus cactii are brilliant. :)
Yes they are and yours look good. :)
You have now reminded me I need to paint some more of these ;) lol
Making good progress - those cacti look very realistic I must say.
Love the cactus.
All you need now is, (drum roll please),
the Roadrunner and Willey Coyote.
After all this is Hollywood Western, Right? lol
Go on.
You know that you want to.
:D
I like the way you have approached it. Its going to look great ;D
Hav eyou thought about how to do the rock spires/chimneys you see on the sides as in the photo on page two?
Thanks. I have an idea abourt the chimneys. That will appear in the next butte. I plan to do 4 different ones.
Thanks. I have an idea abourt the chimneys. That will appear in the next butte. I plan to do 4 different ones.
Little blue 'Bibbly Bricks'?
;D
And don't forget the Coyote cave.
:D ;)
very interesting towers. I'm looking forward to see more WIP pictures.
Oh, that's going to be good.
Following with great interest. :)
Go for it Gary.
Hi Gary,
Found this and think it is interesting for you:
http://www.terranscapes.com/desert-tables/
Looking great Gary - will this e at Blam next year?
Impressive progress :)
I don't think the black undercoat is particularly bad but perhaps a grey primer undercoat would reduce some of the contrast?
My 'go to' undercoat for pretty much everything is a chocolate brown as it much more versatile and you can always add a wash of black if you need really darker recesses.
;)
My 'go to' undercoat for pretty much everything is a chocolate brown as it much more versatile and you can always add a wash of black if you need really darker recesses.
;)
Very nice indeed. :-* :-*
Inspiring. ;)
Nice!
I think the native Americans look fabulous!
Nice work.
:-*
I like the basing idea, it should work a treat.
8)
Now, as a chap who has a small tribe of Plains Indians in the Old West bits box, tell us some more about those rather fetching fancy tents.
:D
Nice work on those minis,clever idea on the bases too :)
Looking good Gary :)
BTW: What/Who are 'Akacita'...?
The akacita, if memory serves, were a intra-tribal society, a sort of 'police' force to keep errant members in line.
So, with all this bark work, is this evidence of why I sometimes hear the English referred to as 'barking mad'? lol
The akacita, if memory serves, were a intra-tribal society, a sort of 'police' force to keep errant members in line.
The Akacita were a sort of warrior lodge usually made up of the best warriors in the clan/tribe/group. They were the most reliable on the battlefield. A more common (but erroneous) term is Dog Soldiers.
The inter-tribal 'police' were known as 'shirt-wearers' and were often drawn from the Akacita.
The teepees are from Grand Manner. I have given them an undercoat, a wash and a basecoat but I need to give them a couple of coats of dry brushing to get the best out of them. More to follow.
Some tidy brushwork there Gary, looking very nice.
Very good painting. Loving them. :-* :-*
Scatter terrain is looking good. :)
Wow. :-* :-* :-*
Coming up nicelly.
Loving the terrain.
Scatter terrain is looking good. :)
Lovely additions, mate.
This project is really coming along very nicely indeed.
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It certainly is, but that 'hill' behind the figures looks a little basic, to be honest, mate....
;D
These give me the objectives to play test the first scenario - Death on the Little Powder River. It is based on the Washita engagement when Custer attacked Black Kettle's band during winter. Hopefully my scenario will be a little less one sided.
Don't forget that, although the initial Washita attack was brutally one-sided, the cavalry rapidly became bogged down during the mopping-up operation, as hundreds of warriors began to arrive from other camps further down the river (that Custer hadn't scouted out properly, surprise, surprise) and that eventually Custer was forced to withdraw (albeit in good order and apparently with band playing!), leaving Major Elliot and 19 troopers behind to be slaughtered by those newly-arriving Indians. Lots of potential for ruining Custer's day in the scenario... :D
It's all looking rather splendid by the way. Keep up the great work. :)
BTW: The new hill looks much better.
:D ;)
Excellent stuff Gary, It's coming together nicely ;D
Nice Teepees
Thanks guys. Hopefully about Easter I will have the terrain boards finished, the rules polished and the figures all apinted. Perhaps you would like to come and try a game?
This is an AWESOME project! :D
Off to a great start. Just a thought but what about a shallow area along one the the river straights that ranchers would use for watering cattle? You could even make it into a ford? Totally see if it would impact on gaming though.
I second maybe having a bit of a low spot along the river - both sides, though - for a crossing point. Could also be used as place of refuge for a few men if covered with suitable brush (separate terrain pieces). Such a small bit of terrain was used that way in many actual historical encounters so it would have lots of utility besides being a ford location. Might also be a place for some poor soldier to either win a Medal of Honor getting water for his wounded comrades - or loose his life.
Nice so far - I´m still following you
Excellent stuff Gary ;D
A plea for your river: Please to make it green and brown, not blue. It will look so much more realistic.
Judging from the systematical devotion and meticulous work on your previous projects, I deem it will be an extremely interesting thread to follow!
Cheers!
Excellent, this looks like it's going to be a long and interesting thread :)
Great work, Ford and Wayne are definitely looking down and smiling.
Looks the part Gary. :-*
Very John Ford ;D
This is all coming together very nicely.
:)
Looking good Gary :)
Nice setup and terrain modelling! Looking forward to see this coming together ...
This is shaping up to be spectacular. :-*
OK it's next week end, where are they :D
Very nice. :-* :-*
Are you going to spread some bushes or just as it is?
It's going to be good :o Looking forward to seeing it all up together.
I was surprised how much growth - grass, and shrubs there is, in what we/I think of as desert or at least arid country. The other thing was how red the rocks and ground can be. Mind you I'm easily surprised.
You have got what appears to be quite large cat litter for want of a better term scattered across the board. When you place your bluffs, rock structures and wigwams on top of this are you expecting to blend them in and if so how. This was one of the things I have not resolved satisfactorily so I'm hoping you have.
Great work Gary! That’s going to be a corker! 8)
The base colours look great! Eagerly waiting for the continuation!
Nice work, Gary.
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It works really well as I feel pretty damn thirsty after looking at that.
;)
Liking it more and more, it should look awesome when finished. :)
Splendid. ;D
Impressive stuff Gary :)
Gary,
Great board! :-*
But please, check the title of this topic. I really dont want to know the meaning of this kind of Drybrush! ! lol lol lol
Marco
A couple bags of reindeer moss, browns and tans and bleached, and you're good to go on the foliage. Why, even some greens can be tossed in the mix. At least until you get more appropriate foliage.
You know what you don't see much of in Monument Valley?
Give up?
Cacti!
That's taking shape very nicely.
Looking really good there Gary
I have somehow completely missed this thread. Everything is looking aweesome.
Wow, Gary,great. But it is only 8 month left, time is short. I think you should hurry a bit... ;)
I've just looked at the pictures on the lap top and they are excellent. I don't suppose you have an overall picture to show the full table, the ones you have put up are all quite tight shots.
The buttes tie in very well with the board, better than I thought they might.
Sounds good to me, can't wait to give it a go. :-*
Looks fantastic - well done Sir
Looking very good indeed, especially with the figures on the table. Games sound fun too!!!
Looks like it's all come together perfectly
Fantastic stuff. looking at your game I can almost hear John Ford shouting "Cut!". :D
Gary, that looks great. Glad you chaps had an enjoyable day’s wargaming :)
I've just looked at the pictures on the lap top and they are excellent. I don't suppose you have an overall picture to show the full table, the ones you have put up are all quite tight shots.
The buttes tie in very well with the board, better than I thought they might.
Well!!! This terrain is E-VO-CA-TI-VE :-* :-* :-*
And a well chosen scenario theme!
It will be a hit for sure! Cheers!
Butteful :-*
Looking good so far, sir.
The buttes fit in splendidly, and they do not look too big at all.
8) 8)
As to the stagecoach station, you may want to look at adding some sort of small building with a forge for shoeing horses and making repairs to stagecoaches.
She wore a yellow ribbon is my favourite of the trilogy. I think you will do it justice with this. I guess you’ve got a well or western style water trough covered?
I Think it needs an outbuilding or two. The forge is a good idea too.
What a cracking board! :o I don’t remember seeing such a good representation of the West before! :-*
Bloody hell Gary that's excellent. Andy's spot on with his comment, it's a beautifuly realised board.
Nail biting game and a cinematic spectacle!
Really great!!! :-* Cheers!
Really impressive table that Gary, I want one :) You may have said so already but what was the painting recipe for that lovely rich colour, it really is the dogs doodahs.
Thank you.
I used craft acryllics throughout - mostly from the Decoart range with a few colours from Graduate acrylics.
The whole board was painted in Burnt Sienna and then given a heavy dry brush of 50:50 mix of Burnt Sienna/Venetian Red followed by a dry brush of Venetian Red to give it a good dark reddish base.
Thereafter it was series of dry brushes getting lighter as the colours got lighter in this order: Pure Pumpkin, Squash Blossom (both oranges), Goldenrod, Bright Yellow (both yellows) finished off by Tan and finally Sandstone. Hope that helps.
Splendid stuff, it looks very cinematic :-*
Nicely done Gary 8)
Looks great Gary :)
That certainly looks the nuts, mate.
Proper eye candy.
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And also reminds me that I really do need to make up some mounted versions of my own cavalry at some point....
::)
What a great looking table Gary! One of the best I’ve seen in a looong while! :-*
We managed to burn a one whole tepee!
It was a large one though ;) :D