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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Cacique Caribe on 17 December 2019, 05:33:11 AM
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Do you use Old West Lumber buildings, or Middle Eastern Adobe, or other types, for your SF colony buildings?
I keep hearing scientists talk about future colonists using construction materials already there, be it stone, regoliths, sand or whatever, instead of relying solely on sending over metal containers and such.
What dual-period buildings do you use with your SF? And why (or why not)?
Thanks
Dan
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I typically use dark age buildings, for two main reasons:
1: My SF games typically have technologically retrograde planets in them (being mostly 40K based).
2: I have them.
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I like adobe style, early Star Wars, also because I have them.
A few futuristic bits on their own bases dotted around (beside/
behind/on top of) buildings works for me. I might add one or two
strictly Sci-Fi buildings (spaceship docking bay etc.) next year.
I am quite taken with the ethos of the 3rd Riddick film, i.e. a
deserted outpost building. I have started doing bits with a 'Junk'
theme (see my threat 'The fight at Yb-Gur' of our recent Galactic
heroes game). Might try ONE SMALL building with interior, but
considering the god like efforts of others on the LAF I might not.
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I am hoping to start on some adobe buildings, hopfully soon.
I keep hearing scientists talk about future colonists using construction materials already there, be it stone, regoliths, sand or whatever, instead of relying solely on sending over metal containers and such.
Construction of 3D buildings is moving forward and I would believe they would use what ever sand or dust there and only need to ship some sort of adhesive resin to bind it all together, so you only need to ship windows and doors for the most part.
With robotics moving as it is, you could send a robot crew of sorts and a massive 3D building printer, that could start the colony long before people arrive.
Doug
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I think it depends on whether you are talking a small settlement, or a vast city. If it is the vanguard of a discovery/colony fleet then I think most of the buildings would be things that they could drop from space. Containers and such. The longer a settlement is there, then I think you would start to see native materials being used. It would almost always be cheaper to use materials on hand than to constantly import raw material. Bring in the equipment, sure, but not the building blocks themselves.
The idea of 3d printed buildings is interesting. I really love the idea that the future would have a technology similar to the Star Trek Replicator which would churn out everything from a basic brick to furniture and complex electronics. "Computer, make me some ramen noodle soup, and a laptop... and a house to sit in while I eat my soup and play on my laptop." lol
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I am using TTCOMBAT Sandstorm for my not Star Wars.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Jww8WRTJGoE/WwGUYI11BwI/AAAAAAAAD2c/vL_W_XbzSZg3T-uBeEfM61V99R3Ll2QxgCLcBGAs/s1600/sfu51-1.png)
Inspired by:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vf9ZSfS-2XU/XAWshvhvjEI/AAAAAAAAEa8/uG2yfwwGI5ki8rJDoHgXvuLmoPKYzdAWgCEwYBhgL/s1600/tatooine11.png)
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I do have a Sarissa 28mm Adobe building which I am dressing up with some Maelstrom's Edge building bits.
Some examples from the Maelstrom's Edge blog.
http://www.thecommguild.com/roller/thecommguild/entry/terrain-spotlight-knights-of-dice (http://www.thecommguild.com/roller/thecommguild/entry/terrain-spotlight-knights-of-dice)
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I've always liked Adobe style buildings, which probably is just because of the Tatooine bits from star wars. I have some Combatzone scenery bits https://combatzone-scenery.co.uk/epages/e25b18fb-c32b-422a-8493-a8baeb0f1a17.mobile/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/e25b18fb-c32b-422a-8493-a8baeb0f1a17/Products/IT002
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Yea, I'm going with the adobe, concrete, permacrete option too, since most of the materials for that are literally "dirt cheap" and available almost anywhere, so you don't need to cut and transport trees and other materials to make them.
Seems like one of the most economical options.
I haven't seen anyone doing shipping cargo container homes yet in miniature, so that might be another option to look at. In the real world, they are rugged, durable, easy to come by, and relatively inexpensive too. Some are really small, spartan affairs, but I've also seen multi-story, palatial digs designed by putting four of them together, with two stacked on top of the other two, and filling in stuff between - knocking out some sides for very large windows, and/or sliding glass doors certainly helps to dispel the claustrophobia presented by these, normally.
Another option is free-form, blown concrete - looks very similar to the adobe structures, but perhaps a bit more modern in terms of shapes. People use large airbags to raise and hold up the concrete re-bar, until the blown concrete hardens. I've seen some very neat, sci-fi designs from it.
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One of The Expanse books describes the new colonists on Ilus using a machine to make bricks out of the native soil. Technology plus abundant resources plus ingenuity equals frontier livin....
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I always figured there would either be prefabricated modules or made of local dirt, clay, adobe, or rocks.
I love N African architecture with wires and pipes visible like in Star Wars. Also, brick dark ages motif.
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I haven't seen anyone doing shipping cargo container homes yet in miniature, so that might be another option to look at. In the real world, they are rugged, durable, easy to come by, and relatively inexpensive too. Some are really small, spartan affairs, but I've also seen multi-story, palatial digs designed by putting four of them together, with two stacked on top of the other two, and filling in stuff between - knocking out some sides for very large windows, and/or sliding glass doors certainly helps to dispel the claustrophobia presented by these, normally.
Many years ago I visited Ston in Croatia, which had been damaged by an earthquake. There was a housing estate made of shipping containers.
Christchurch (NZ) had a shopping centre made of containers - that has made them trendy, you can find them in many places (Bristol, London etc.).
This is a hotel on Lower Marsh, which appears to be made of containers.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lfxTIzMODuA/XfqOt-modjI/AAAAAAAAF-Q/R3aDSH6CZGEvWmenYq-HseZiCZaJhVFxQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/oddbuilding.png)
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Here is my work in progress Sarissa Adobe building.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JZa-aLgpeZs/XfqNtpK6mLI/AAAAAAAAF94/pvB0SPrgpI4B9vLAPQN1Hzu0UgoqVk3YgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/a001-3.png)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UlhK9K-S_iY/XfqNt4KY5KI/AAAAAAAAF98/eaJwiul0iG0M3rBsiYU7qGeCkhkr5u85QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/a001-4.png)
This is another TTCombat Sandstorm building. It will need some filling.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pIgxHxcd77Y/XfqNt5JFVMI/AAAAAAAAF-A/un8h6m-3DPQ49ZOp-N5Z-EXHbwmzv9OwQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/sstorm-1.png)
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Cargo containers is an excellent idea for semi-pre-fabricated buildings. A mix with adobe or bricks could look interesting, like they got started with prefab and continued with local materials.
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Dan,
Depends on the look you want. If you go for the Firefly vibe, a western town setting would not be off base.
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Boldly go:
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Well like I had mentioned, send a robot crew with building printing system and other equipment ahead of the colony, would increase the Colony's survivability. Drilling water wells, installing sanitation systems, printing buildings, laying underground electrical systems and any other additional builds needed. In addition the printing system can install a perimeter wall system from hazardous alien creatures as well, everything would look like adobe buildings and walls. When the Colonist arrive then things like the prefabs then be used for shops or other type of buildings, and allow the colonist to just move right in and start planting crops right off.
So center of the colony could look like adobe and the outer edges could look like prefabs and shipping containers.
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Well, I use a whole slew of different styles, chalking up some to the colonists' romantic view of pre-spaceflight Earth.
I've got wooden houses, brick buildings, ferrocrete prefabs, colony buildings built from shipping containers and sheet metal...
15mm scenery is incredibly easy to build and doesn't take too much space to store.
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I think it depends on whether you are talking a small settlement, or a vast city. If it is the vanguard of a discovery/colony fleet then I think most of the buildings would be things that they could drop from space. Containers and such. The longer a settlement is there, then I think you would start to see native materials being used. It would almost always be cheaper to use materials on hand than to constantly import raw material. Bring in the equipment, sure, but not the building blocks themselves.
That’s my take on it. The first buildings are basically the equivalent of construction site office trailers. Simple, modular, easily hauled by a heavy lift aircraft. Next are buildings that can be created simply with materials on site with a minimum of processing. Log cabins, adobe huts, etc.
Once the site has sufficient population, you will start seeing dressed stone, cut lumber, rebarred concrete, and other materials that require an industrial base to produce.
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Our Infinity games are set in Africa where a big alien spaceship crashed into the earth and they made a quarantine zone around it with a set up sort of like Germany after WWII.
So I use a lot of my red -roof and adobe buildings with the modernization kit from The Miniature Building Authority in my games.
(http://i.imgur.com/Pw6marI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VDpQdKN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/36Z3SWX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Honj9nq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qvWydEk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nKJzF6X.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hTR8J3q.jpg)
Someday I'd love to have a whole urban table set up for Infinity, but it looks like that might not happen in my lifetime at this point. We'll see. I think I'm going to have to just have an entire building for gaming stuff before that happens.
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That's a great setup.
My 'old' buildings are North African/Arabian inspired, so Adobe, mud brick & stone.
The backstory is that the original colonists came from a Middle Eastern environment. They arrived on the planet Harmony in a colony ship, which then underwent a catastrophic landing accident while only partially unloaded. The lower grade workers with basic equipment and tools had already reached the ground but the disaster destroyed the heavy equipment, construction plant and the architects/scientists/engineers/leadership perished in the event. The survivors (later called the 'Old Colonists') fell back on the available resources, knowledge and basic tools to build 'North African' style buildings.
As other colonists arrived later, the building styles changed over time but many retained that flavour.
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Pictors
Fantastic setup!!! I can also imagine a lot of impromptu “buildings” growing out of the alien/spaceship wreckage, almost like a living junkyard.
Dan
https://comicbook.com/2014/11/09/drifter-1-is-another-intriguing-interstellar-story-from-image/
(https://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/11/drifter---landscape-111967.jpg)
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Nice idea Dan, Wouldn't one plan the colony ship as to being the main habitat for the colonist in the first place rather then having them to build a colony at first land fall.
So the colony ship lands, from within it drills a water well, then a geothermal heating and cooling well to save power on the ship, then they erect solar panels and wind turbines, really everything they need for general living would be on the ship. Farming equipment and construction equipment could be in the storage holds, the storage holds could then be used for addition living space for the colonist and crew.
This has me thinking of a nice project for later, I'll have to put on paper before I forget.
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Have you watched The 100?
For that matter, have you seen first series of the Expanse? Not sure I would like to land the Nauvoo (see Colony Drop).
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In terms of science fiction, if it's a big enough galaxy, anything can be justified lol
regarding 3d printing, NASA had a competition a couple of years back - link (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/in-situ-regolith-modular-structural-element-system-challenge) with some interesting ideas - link (https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/centennial_challenges/3DPHab/top-10-virtual-model-stage)
Image links seem to be on this page (https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/centennial_challenges/3DPHab/index.html). I'm not sure why, but NASA seems determined to make its site as unhelpful as possible when looking for stuff :(
Mantic do some prefab scenery for their Warpath range - link (https://www.manticgames.com/games/terrain-crate/sci-fi-terrain-crate/battlezones-sci-fi-terrain-crate/gang-warzone/). I think it's gone up since I bought some. It's quite nice, but a pain (sometimes literally) to put together.
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Tents! Lightweight to carry.....versatile for any colonist ( and the odd prefab)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/40k2/CIMG1721.jpg)
Front view. Pringle tubes, string and wet pva infused tissue plus a few bits from the bits box to represent airlock / environmental atmospheric scrubbing etc. I got carried away with the casting once I made a mould....
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/40k2/CIMG1715.jpg)
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Adobe shanties.
Mostly scratch built, cardboard. Needing to make more walls, which I'm working on.
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Deleted due to Photobucket being totally useless!
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Yup....still having problems myself!
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Digits,
I have to copy that tent idea of yours.
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It’s Christmas.....you probably have pringles in the house!
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It’s Christmas.....you probably have pringles in the house!
Crisp Pringles?
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It’s Christmas.....you probably have pringles in the house!
What Christmas jumpers?
That should in the Aggro thread.
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Yes! Crisp pringles.... sometimes known as stackers?
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Nice idea Dan, Wouldn't one plan the colony ship as to being the main habitat for the colonist in the first place rather then having them to build a colony at first land fall.
So the colony ship lands, from within it drills a water well, then a geothermal heating and cooling well to save power on the ship, then they erect solar panels and wind turbines, really everything they need for general living would be on the ship. Farming equipment and construction equipment could be in the storage holds, the storage holds could then be used for addition living space for the colonist and crew.
This has me thinking of a nice project for later, I'll have to put on paper before I forget.
There's a few episodes of Enterprise, one were they find an abandoned colony, where the colony ship was stripped down to make houses, later a alternate reality episode where Earth was destroyed and the survivors converted their transports into a refugee camp.
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Tents! Lightweight to carry.....versatile for any colonist ( and the odd prefab)
Front view. Pringles tubes, string and wet PVA infused tissue plus a few bits from the bits box to represent airlock / environmental atmospheric scrubbing etc. I got carried away with the casting once I made a mould....
1st look, thought they were all exactly the same and not all scratchbuilt.
Then you talk of Pringles and thinking "damn he made them all the same"
Glad you said you cast em. LOL
Anyway, again you say Pringles. From the pics they seem to be bigger than standard Pringles cans.
But i love em.
Would love to see more closeup pics if possible.
Grimm
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Yes! Crisp pringles....
Now, say it out loud to understand why it is a holiday treat!
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Adobe shanties.
Mostly scratch built, cardboard. Needing to make more walls, which I'm working on.
What material(s) did you use for the adobe walls?
Dan
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A few years ago I spent a lot of time creating a tables worth of 15mm buildings. For each building I did two or three roofs. Originally I started with adobe which was easy enough. Most also got a sci-fi variant which was a mix of styles but essentially Mos Eisley. Then I did a ruined roof for many of them and some more heavily ruined building to go with them. If you do this make sure you know which roof goes with which building or you will drive yourself mad very quickly.