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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Norm on 27 August 2022, 03:11:18 PM

Title: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Norm on 27 August 2022, 03:11:18 PM
Today, I put Tewkesbury 1471 on the table, using the boardgame Blood and Roses from the Men of Iron series (GMT), but included some extra units from my own Wars of the Roses imaginations campaign that use figures to fight in the fictional setting of Piggy Longton.

So today saw a melding of boardgame meets a figures campaign and a ‘new’ history fell from the game that will propel my own campaign in a deliberate direction.

I have put a full post up on my blog that covers the game and implications etc. LINK

http://battlefieldswarriors.blogspot.com/2022/08/tewkesbury-1471-and-men-of-piggy-longton.html
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Paulonious on 27 August 2022, 05:19:20 PM
Very interesting and clever. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Golgotha on 27 August 2022, 08:11:09 PM
Board wargames are great for the campaign strategic level - I have done similar with Avalon Hill's Kingmaker and Robin Hood for Medieval.

Do love your blog too...
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Norm on 27 August 2022, 08:14:23 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 27 August 2022, 08:18:48 PM
I second the idea of using Kingmaker. It is very pretty (board & cards.)
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Etranger on 28 August 2022, 01:58:49 AM
I second the idea of using Kingmaker. It is very pretty (board & cards.)

Indeed, if you can find a copy! There's also an ECW boardgame (Ironsides) which I bought for a similar purpose. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/14429/ironsides
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Golgotha on 28 August 2022, 02:03:40 AM
Everything you need for Kingmaker can be found here: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/987/kingmaker

among the fan versions...

Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 28 August 2022, 07:09:53 AM
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Indeed, if you can find a copy! There's also an ECW boardgame (Ironsides) which I bought for a similar purpose. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/14429/ironsides

I used to have a Jacobite rebellion game. It would have made a great background
for a campaign &, now I have 28mm figures for the 45, I can't find another copy :'(

The areas on the map each had their own number. I think pro-Jacobites were low,
while pro-Government were high. If your army moved into another area you diced
& added the score to the area's number. For the Jacobites, If the result was below 7
you gained recruits. Above 7 you suffered deserters, sick etc. (Situation reversed for
the Government player.) Thus it encouraged Bonny Prince Charlie to land way up in
Scotland, tour around building up an army, then marching south. Hoping that the
army was big enough to survive the shrinkage befor it reached the Government
army/armies.
Would work very well for a campaign backdrop. Anyone got a copy they don't want? ??? ???

Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Golgotha on 28 August 2022, 12:09:56 PM
Copy for sale here: https://boardgamegeek.com/geekmarket/product/2592629

Also not forgetting The Perfect Captain rules and their campaign games, A Crown of Paper for a Coat of Steel,  being tied into miniature games. See: http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/acos.html

They also did an ECW game Has Been called Very Civile Actions.
http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/request.html




Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 28 August 2022, 03:26:29 PM
Golgotha, you got my hopes up, only to then cruely dash them. :'(

I was hoping for the Bonnie Prince Charlie board game, so that
Vodkafan & I could campaign the 45.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Golgotha on 28 August 2022, 09:23:36 PM
Apologies... :'(
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Arrigo on 28 August 2022, 10:05:37 PM
If you want the 45...

https://redsashgames.com/lace-wars-series-games/charlies-year.html (https://redsashgames.com/lace-wars-series-games/charlies-year.html)

It is expensive in boxed form, but the Print And Play version is extremely cost effective. Doing PnP games quite often once you get hold of the system they are not that difficult, and you can resize them to suit your needs too. The system is detailed, but being detailed is easier to port to miniatures.

Best,
Arrigo
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 29 August 2022, 06:25:06 AM
Thanks for the suggestion Arrigo,
I'll take a long look at the Print & Play option,
but if anyone does know of a reasonably priced
copy of the simple board game... :D
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Dr. Zombie on 29 August 2022, 08:12:04 AM
We have tried this a few times with boardgames generating miniatures battles. With Crown of paper and even Mighty Empires and we have talked about Nevski as well. The trouble is that the board games themselves are so involving the you kind of want to play them. And the the actual miniatures battle becomes a bit of a hassle.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: AdmiralAndy on 30 August 2022, 02:14:20 PM
@Has.been

As an alternative:

There is a Blackpowder Last Argument of Kings supplement which has a handful of pages outlining a Jacobite Campaign. I know there was some LAF postings about a Pikemans Lament campaign using these as a basis a while back in early covid times I think.

Also Volley and Bayonet have a Jacobite Rebellion books 1 & 2 which includes a map based campaign and lot of background, although doesn't sound like you need much background.
https://www.oldgloryuk.com/old-glory-press-source-books-and-rules/42/144/389/399
https://www.oldgloryuk.com/old-glory-press-source-books-and-rules/42/144/389/399

No idea if there's anything helpful in Martin Hackett's, Rise of the Clans Wargaming Jacobite Guide

Happy Campaigning
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: AdmiralAndy on 30 August 2022, 02:16:39 PM
Kingmaker is getting a going to Kickstarter makeover, I've an Avalon Hill Version but going to follow this one along. Kickstarter launching soon.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 30 August 2022, 07:42:47 PM
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As an alternative:

There is a Blackpowder Last Argument of Kings supplement which has a handful of pages outlining a Jacobite Campaign. I know there was some LAF postings about a Pikemans Lament campaign using these as a basis a while back in early covid times I think.

Also Volley and Bayonet have a Jacobite Rebellion books 1 & 2 which includes a map based campaign and lot of background, although doesn't sound like you need much background.
https://www.oldgloryuk.com/old-glory-press-source-books-and-rules/42/144/389/399
https://www.oldgloryuk.com/old-glory-press-source-books-and-rules/42/144/389/399

No idea if there's anything helpful in Martin Hackett's, Rise of the Clans Wargaming Jacobite Guide

Happy Campaigning

Thanks Admiral. I'll look into those.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 31 August 2022, 01:44:14 PM
many years ago, when my eye-sight was much better, & for a challenge,
I painted up Warwick's (THE Kingmaker) personal standard in 25mm.
I also did a Herald in the same, not just on his Tabard, but also on
his shoulder pads.
Managed to track down the picture proof.
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: flatpack on 31 August 2022, 01:54:36 PM
Your hands looked a lot younger then.  lol
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 31 August 2022, 02:01:23 PM
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Your hands looked a lot younger then.  lol
My hands were a lot younger then, as was the rest of me, BUT
it is not my hand in the photo. I think it belonged/belongs to JC.
 :D
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: AdmiralAndy on 31 August 2022, 02:11:01 PM
Found the Link to the BP Pikeman's Lament Campaign:

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=120952.0
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Digits on 31 August 2022, 03:14:59 PM
Some steady handed paintwork there Pete.

Just fished my Kingmaker box out of the garage.  Suddenly I’m interested in WOTR…..
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: Golgotha on 31 August 2022, 07:45:38 PM
Impressive what ever happened to these miniatures?
Title: Re: Using a boardgame for the strategic battles
Post by: has.been on 01 September 2022, 09:33:30 AM
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Impressive what ever happened to these miniatures?

Sold on when the club I was then in lost interest in War of the Roses.
I eventually cleared out over a dozen file boxes of medieval figures.
I have retained one box of the bigger 25mm figures (Essex & similar)
that I could push up the painting list. They've been waiting patiently
for over a decade now.
 :D