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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Triumph & Tragedy => Topic started by: Driscoles on 18 October 2009, 12:55:46 PM
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Hi All,
actually I wanted the colonial supplement completed at the end of October. I don`t think I am gonna make it in two weeks time.
The good news is that I am nearly finished. The fluff or historical text is eaten up most of my time which is scarce since we have a new family member called Archie. A dog ! I hoped he would inspire me when writing the Afghan War Chapter. In memory of Bobbie - you probably all know - the famous mongrel who survived the battle of Maiwand. In some ways Archie inspired me. "Lets go out for a walk - human" his eyes usually say.
Back to the supplement. I am still looking for a name. It sure has a working title but that won´t fit for a supplements title.
The supplement will have a number of chapters. You will get new rules like formations, volley fire, horses and camels and most important the baggage or pack train rules. I believe they will inspire your games :)
Chapter two contains some colonial fluff and takes a closer look on the conflicts the lists will cover. Although I must admit that you will be able to play almost any colonial conflict with the rules.
Chapter three contains a list of special rules for skills some of Britain`s opponents were famous for. These rules will also enable you to create your own lists using the skill list.
Chapter four will bring you the army lists. The basic unit size will change a bit. You can have up to 12 models in an English unit and up to 20 models in a native unit.
The list contains the British, most British allies, famous foe`s and some new weapons.
The optional rules are saved for chapter five. There you will find rules for range markers, extended coherency, bayonet charges etc.
The final chapter will contain some rules clarification.
I hope there will be some space left so I can fill the final pages with a new scenario.
I received help from some LAF guys who are contributing with some excellent miniature pictures and playtesting.
The supplement will also contain some beautiful historical pictures provided by Ian Knight. His books are a useful source for any colonial wargamer. Thanks to Empress Miniatures for establishing the contact.
Until the release date I will inform you about any news on the supplement. So please feel free and have a look inside this thread when you come along the
LA Forum.
Cheers
Björn
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Björn,
we are not angry about this, but very, very sad... :'(
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Hear, hear! Jolly good, I say!
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This sounds great, I look forward to it. I'd love to see a scenario if there is space.
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That's very good news, I have always wanted to give T&T a try. What is the timeline of the supplement? 1870s and beyond?
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Actually you can even play the Indian Mutiny with the supplement.
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Looking very much forward to it.
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I want one! :D
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Sounds fantastic!
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Ahrrr, Doughnuts...ehm..Supplement :P
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Great News!
Mutiny? Hmm...
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how about
"White man's burden"
as title?
or "Usuthu!" ?
;)
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This is funny...
Usutu was a title I had in mind !
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This is funny...
Usutu was a title I had in mind !
well You look for something catchy, right? ;)
how about:
"Dr. Livingstone, I presume?"
"the cry of the jungle"
"angawa, simba"
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no no...
I am looking for something completely different. :)
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customer contribution poll?
first prize free copy signed by authors? ;)
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I just wanted to add that I have bought the basic T&T rulebook (it arrived today) and, on reading it through, it looks like it will be great fun to play!!!
As I am currently painting NW Frontier Brits, Indians and Pathans, the Colonial supplement will be a must-buy, as it is the period I mainly want to use the rules for at my wargames club. Am therefore eagerly awaiting any updates on progress (hint...hint... ;) )
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As I am currently painting NW Frontier Brits, Indians and Pathans, the Colonial supplement will be a must-buy, as it is the period I mainly want to use the rules for at my wargames club. Am therefore eagerly awaiting any updates on progress (hint...hint... ;) )
I´m currently doing some Editorial Work on the Army Lists, and I can say I´m really impressed. Björn did a great job in translating the armies´ character into T&T terms, and I´m more than tempted to get some proper Redcoats now...
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Guitarheroandy !
NW Frontier Brits, Pathans and Indians will all be covered in the supplement.
Release date is January 2010 at the latest.
Cheers
Björn
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Will it cover Giant Panda Gun Ships? ;D ;D ;D
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I am afraid not Sir !
:(
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Is anyone thinking about doing the Napoleonic era? :-*
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Guitarheroandy !
NW Frontier Brits, Pathans and Indians will all be covered in the supplement.
Release date is January 2010 at the latest.
Cheers
Björn
That's excellent news!! I should have enough painted models for a decent game by then!!
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Is anyone thinking about doing the Napoleonic era? :-*
in general ? ;)
if You mean T&T, I think the ruleset is about skirmish games...
unless You want to game Sharpe's rifles ;)
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Driscoles, I'm not sure if I'm spelling this right, and I'm not sure exactly what this means in German, but would "Colonial Tummel" be a good name for a colonial supplement?
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Driscoles, I'm not sure if I'm spelling this right, and I'm not sure exactly what this means in German, but would "Colonial Tummel" be a good name for a colonial supplement?
Well, we´re aiming for an English title to help with overseas sales ;), but assuming you mean like in "Colonial Turmoil"? I´d say that would be properly translated as "Kolonialgetümmel" or "Kolonialwirren", and, while fun, doesn´t quite seem to fit what we were looking for (Björn´s feedback pending and notwithstanding).
Additionally, since all the Colonial stuff is a bit touchy over here (pretty much like all that pre-1945 stuff), we´d best like to avoid a name that might be interpreted as inappropriately trivializing.
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Additionally, since all the Colonial stuff is a bit touchy over here (pretty much like all that pre-1945 stuff), we´d best like to avoid a name that might be interpreted as inappropriately trivializing.
very reasonable attitude :)
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Additionally, since all the Colonial stuff is a bit touchy over here (pretty much like all that pre-1945 stuff), we´d best like to avoid a name that might be interpreted as inappropriately trivializing.
Hmm, I guess "Europa uber alles" wouldn't work either then...
I was thinking about a supplement title "Colonial Scramble," to borrow a word from the book title, "The Scamble for Africa." Many other good titles have already been used for previous colonial games (The Sword and the Flame, Battles for Empire, Pax Britannica, etc.).
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Thanks for your suggestions mate.
Well...I think I will make the Title very simple.
But my ears are open to any good idea that does not sound like " Colonial : Redemption of the Virgian Redcoats " or such . ;)
Thank you.
Björn
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How about something short in the exisiting trend of short and catchy ('Triumph and Tragedy', 'No Pasaran')?
The slogan 'Cape to Cario' was minted by the the #1 British colonialist Cecil Rhodes, who envisioned painting the map of African red (British, not blood, in this context) from the Cape of Good Hope in the south to Cairo in the north, thus the slogan from “Cape to Cairo.” Colonialism obviously happened in a lot of places besides Africa, but I think it doesn't need a lot of background story to see how the slogan captures the push 'n shove to colour in the world map in your 'colour, weather they be Russian, American, German, Italian, French, British, Belgian, Spanish or what have you. Plus it is not immediately offensive.
Rhodes himself:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Punch_Rhodes_Colossus.png/463px-Punch_Rhodes_Colossus.png)
Google the slogan and you'll find quite a few interesting articles. (The image is taken from Wikipedia so it is quite possible it is within the public domain, if you want to use it.)
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I'll just check my history book.
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Will the supplement contain anything pertaining to the 1935-36 Italian-Ethiopian War?
Russ
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Nope, I am sorry. Old fashioned Colonial.
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Will the supplement contain anything pertaining to the 1935-36 Italian-Ethiopian War?
Russ
As for that setting, I´d think you can use the basic rules for that one (since it is rather Interwar), and adapt some of the new rules we´ll include in the Colonial supplement to represent the Ethiopians. Rules for the CV3-33 can be found in the Spanish Civil War Book.
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Cape to Cairo sounds good, but what about the asian theatre?
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Cape to Cairo sounds good, but what about the asian theatre?
Cape to Cairo to Canton? ;)
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Cape to Bombay ? ;)
Cape to Cairo and beyond?
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Cape to Cairo to Canton? ;)
Cairo, calcutta & Canton. But that sounds like a holiday brochure
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Thank you for the information regarding the Italian-Ethiopian War as it relates to "Tragedy & Triumph". I'm just getting started and have yet to order a copy here in the US. Good to know info on the CV3/33 is in the SCW book.
Russ
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Yeah, yeah. Think, that's the problem in my life: My first contribution and I have to say something, because I have the solution. ;D ;D (yes, yes there are voices in my brain). TaTaTa
"Victorian Victories: A colonial supplement for T&T"
That's it. :o
Come on Björn. Salute me. lol
Best greetings from Ginas friend.
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I really like koppi's name!!!!! :D
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This is really a good contribution Koppi ! :)
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This is really a good contribution Koppi ! :)
Thanks.
Yes I like alliterations. T&T is followed by V&V. ;)
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News about the colonial supplement????? Release date?????
;D
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I hoped no one would ask ;)
We are a little bit delayed.
Book is finished but release date is postponed until end of February. Thats due to layout and cover art. This is our biggest project so far and we want it to be good.
Best regards
Björn
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I hoped no one would ask ;)
We are a little bit delayed.
Book is finished but release date is postponed until end of February. Thats due to layout and cover art. This is our biggest project so far and we want it to be good.
Best regards
Björn
That's February's 'pocket money' already spent then!! ;)
Thank you for the update...I'm VERY eagerly awaiting this one, as I have much 2nd Afghan War/NW Frontier action planned for these rules!!!!
Cheers
Andy
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Are you still looking for a title? How about the classic, The sun never sets?
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Good title, but there is already a rule set with that name (just like to point that one out because my name is printed in the back on the "roll of honour!" :)).
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We have a title ! Its a simple one.
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Good evening,
we are still working on the layout and on the cover. The cover will be different to the previous covers.
Something else will be different as well. The Colonial Supplement will be printed in color. The layout so far looks great and it would be a shame to print it in black and white.
The contents is spread over five chapters. At a total of about 60 pages.
The first chapter is about New Rules like volley fire and formation rules, transport units, limber, rockets ( yes - with minimum range ) and other weapons. We also included the trumpets and flag rules from the LoM Supplement.
Chapter too is some fluff about the colonial age because I believe that wargaming also has an educational mission ;)
Chapter Three gives an overview about tribal traits and other native special rules. I wrote rules for tactical traits like bad shots, advanced deployment, throwing spears and charges and psychological traits like fanatics, fatalists, bravery and others. These rules make it possible to design your own native troops that are not covered by the supplement. Theese special rules can also be used for adventurous Darkest Africa games.
Chapter four is all about army lists. The rules have a closer look at the British Army but can easily adopted to all other European trained armies of the colonial age. The supplement also covers lists for the Egyptian and Indian Army.
There are lists for The Zulus ( and others ) !
Chapter five is about optional rules. They can be used for special scenarios, larger battles or campaign games. They can change the game balancing a bit. Rules included are bayonet charges, extended coherency, guard units, densely packed troops, the famous square and others.
We still hope to get the supplement ready at the end of February but - and this is the bad news - it could be delayed until mid March.
Cheers
Björn
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:'( :'( hope to get it at the Tactica
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Sounds good !!! :o
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Waiting for... ;) please, keep us informed about news...
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Having play tested these rules - I have to say this looks to be a great supplement!
My group used them last night to fight a SYW game in India and they worked well.
Can't wait to see them.
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I'm sure it will be at least as good as the other T&T books and probably even better :D
Having played a couple of very enjoyable 19thC colonial games with the basic rules, I'm certain this will be an essential buy.
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Have these been released?
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not yet it appears
I've heard something about very very soon
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we are nearly finished with the supplement. I am very sorry for the delay but things had been very busy lately.
Björn
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these things happen :)
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Hi,
the work is done. The Triumph & Tragedy Colonial supplement will be in print this week and available around the 20th of May.
Here is a little preview of the title page and the rear side of the supplement.
The book is in complete color with lots of pictures of miniatures, terrain and historical stuff ( thanks to Ian Knight ). You will get new rules, optional rules, skills and traits, historical information and a few army lists.
Cheers
Björn
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/5_04_05_10_12_27_47.JPG)
cover illustration by LA forum member Don Voss. He is a professional illustrator and I think he `s got talent !
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/5_04_05_10_12_28_38.JPG)
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Oh vary nice :D
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Looks good, can't wait to get hold of it.
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Nice! Looking very much forward to this.
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beautiful cover, Björn, well done!
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great! I´m looking foreward to this.
cu
Volker
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I can't wait to get hold of this! Any idea of the price yet?
What a great cover - well done to Don Voss for capturing the "vibe" perfectly ;D
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Congrats Björn.
It did take some time but I am sure it was well worth the waiting :)
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Very nice! I want one!!!
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I've got to ask, what's a 'Tischrabauken''?
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My German is rubbish, but I think it means something along the lines of "table-hooligans" or "table-bullies"; which, if I've got that right, is a fucking great name.
Love that picture.
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Thank you guys for the comments.
I haven t calculated the price yet. The price will be only a bit higher than the previous books. Thats because this one has a little bit more pages and is in full color.
Plynkes. You are a language genius and so you are right !
The name came into my mind a few years ago when we played Mordheim every Thursday for 2 years. That was a very funny time ( And maybe we were a bit like hooligans ;) ) So I used this name for the Do or Dice convention website and now for the T+T rulesbooks.
Today I attach a sample page and the table of contents for the supplement. The sample page was from the beta version and is not perfect but it gives you an idea about the look !
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/5_05_05_10_9_48_31.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/5_05_05_10_9_47_58.JPG)
The historical pictures are from Ian Knight and are copyright Ian Knight. He was so kind to provide us some historical pictures. The painted officer is from Orctrader. Some other guys from this forum allowed me to use their pictures too. Thanks again.
Cheers
Björn
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This looks beautiful - well worth the wait. :)
T&T looks to take over - great job!
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If you've got Ian Knight's support, you must be doing something right ;) I wonder how many know he likes his wargames and is a member of the Cape Wars YahooGroup, and maybe others?
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Cant wait to get my paws on a set, esp since I've just finished a unit of the 91st Highlanders in Trews...12strong..oh what a coincidence.
:D
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that is so on my wish list! :-*
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I will receive it hopefully on Wednesday and will inform the gentlemen immediately.
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Hi All !
Its here and it will be in the shops asap.
I just made three quick pictures.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/5_19_05_10_11_37_41.JPG)
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/5_19_05_10_11_38_33.JPG)
Cheers
Björn
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Hurrah!!
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Wooo!
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great!!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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Congrats. Looks great!
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Yep, its looking terrific, I will most definitely be picking up a copy :)
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Excellent!!! Perfect inspiration for me to get myself in gear and paint some more Brits and Pathans!! I'll definitely be purchasing this as soon as it's on sale!! :D
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An essential purchase!
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Here you go: T&T Colonial supplement (http://pardulon-models.com/product_info.php/info/p93_Colonial-Supplement.html)
I'll only get them on Monday, but I thought you might wanted have first pick before I announce them properly when I have them ;)
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Here you go: T&T Colonial supplement (http://pardulon-models.com/product_info.php/info/p93_Colonial-Supplement.html)
I'll only get them on Monday, but I thought you might wanted have first pick before I announce them properly when I have them ;)
Magnificent! Order placed!!!! Can't wait!! :D
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As of today Battlefield Berlin has the supplement in stock. They still need to update their web shop, though.
I picked up my copy this morning. :)
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I've got my copies yesterday by post and I must say: what a nice publication! Waiting for it was really worthwhile.
:-*
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Björn,
Is there any info of where we might receive the new supplment in the states. Didn't know if Brigade games would be stocking this.
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My copy arrived yesterday. That book is grea, full of new rules which caupture the colonial atmosphere perfectly. And a lot of eye candy. Thanks Björn!
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I also received a copy and must say: PERFECT! A lot of good rules und background together with a beautiful layout and pictures.
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Thank you guys.
Hope you enjoy the rules with your colonial games.
Airborne.
Lon from Brigade Games ordered yesterday. I will bring his order to the mail today.
The Colonial Supplement will definitely available in the States !
Cheers
Björn
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Wait, what is this I missed? Rules? For Colonial?
No one told me? :'(
what is the deal?
Thank you
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T&T is a very nice ruleset for skirmish games, consisting of:
Basic ruleset (2nd ed. by now I recall)
SCW expansion, containing rules for a lot of vehicles
and the newly released and breathlessly avaited
Colonial expansion, see above
for 28mm since skirmish (guess 6mm skirmish would be possible too with a magnifiying glass, would like to see the characters ;))
I would guess the creators can elaborate ;)
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Thanks former user.
The Colonial Supplement is now suitable for larger games as well.
I increased the unit size especially for the native units.
Cheers
Björn
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I still have to fulfill the debt of giving a T&T game analysis on our "Riga 1919" game, where I shamelessly bent the rules and increased the unit sizes (among other things)
and it worked very well
vehicle rules are still a bit of a problem, but this is hardly an issue in colonial terms.
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Got mine today...looks absolutely excellent! Great layout and marvellous pics! Great inspiration to crack on with my Brit and Pathan models! Well done to all involved!
Andy
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Me to! Well done to Jens and the Bundespost ;D
Just ben reading through it and I'm very impressed. All of the rules look to be spot-on and this supplement should turn a great game system into a superb one!
No colonial gamer should be without T&T and this supplement.
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Thank you guys !
Hope you enjoy your games using the rules.
Björn
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Thank you guys !
Hope you enjoy your games using the rules.
Björn
I want to' have a try at it,
Sorry Bjorn where I could buy the basic and supplements rules ?
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Hi Shikari,
you can order them in Europe either from
Pardulon
http://www.pardulon-models.com/
Miniaturicum
http://www.miniaturicum.de/
Battlefield Berlin
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/
Empress Miniatures
http://www.empressminiatures.com/
Thanks
Björn
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Hi Shikari,
you can order them in Europe either from
Pardulon
http://www.pardulon-models.com/
Miniaturicum
http://www.miniaturicum.de/
Battlefield Berlin
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/
Empress Miniatures
http://www.empressminiatures.com/
Thanks
Björn
Thanks Bjorn :)
Piero
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ordered ;D
both the basic and the colonial supplement. :P
looking in the T&T web site I found lot of free downloads.
first impression is that all is really well made, presentation is superb;
also rule should be intriguing as I completely believe in you my friends lol
so I'm waiting for my copies, then I'll post my impressions.
Piero
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I'm certain you will not be disappointed :D
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The supplement will also contain some beautiful historical pictures provided by Ian Knight. His books are a useful source for any colonial wargamer.Thanks to Empress Miniatures for establishing the contact.
Is this spam?
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Probably Spam. I removed this post. Thank you very much mate.
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:D :) Sounds interesting!I like it!
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Shall I buy this set and use it for FIW? Or should I wait----Wink?
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Hi,
why not wait a little bit...
If it takes too long go and start a new project...Colonial maybe ? :)
Björn
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Just got mine in the mail today from Brigade Games. Very well done guys! Haven't had a chance to give them a thorough read, but visually the rules are great!
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Thank you Sir. Enjoy the read.
Björn
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Has anyone tried these rules with FFL and did they work well?
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Hi !
Sure you can play FFL with these rules. Don`t know why they shouldn t work well.
We did some games with the FFL. The rules contain skills and traits for the natives.
For more questions please ask.
Cheers
Björn