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Title: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 22 October 2009, 08:43:24 AM: Hello... my new project. If anybody has more images than these, please link them in this thread. I especially need a photo from the back ;)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/937519354_eba01017d6.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1402/936675355_e52527e1df.jpg)

(http://wikicars.org/images/en/thumb/8/8d/Romfell_1.jpg/400px-Romfell_1.jpg)

(http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/romfell_4.jpg)

(http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/timrigsby/resita_001.jpg)

(http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/romfell_3.JPG)

(http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/romfell_2.JPG)

Thanks,
Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Wirelizard on 22 October 2009, 08:56:38 AM: So, this means the Ehrhardt is finished and off to Doc? :)

Good, because my friekorp (who double as villianous Pulp flunkies-for-hire) need one! I think they'll need a Romfell, too.

In fact, I know they'll need a Romfell. (who cares that there were only ever two or three Romfells in reality? The Universe More Pulpish is much cooler than reality!)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 22 October 2009, 09:01:08 AM: Can't wait to see this finisned :D

Keith
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 22 October 2009, 09:24:50 AM: A Romfell!!! :o *faints* *recovers* *faints again*

I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE THE FINAL MODEL. PERIOD.
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: commissarmoody on 22 October 2009, 09:43:09 AM: the pics wont show up on my on my comp :(
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 22 October 2009, 09:57:39 AM: Quote from: Wirelizard on 22 October 2009, 08:56:38 AM
So, this means the Ehrhardt is finished and off to Doc? :)

This!
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 22 October 2009, 11:01:36 AM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 22 October 2009, 09:57:39 AM
This!

Indeed!

;)

Ehrhardt = Off to the caster.. will announce more when I hear something.

-Doc
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Schogun on 22 October 2009, 08:20:47 PM: Line drawing with rear view at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7700258@N05/937519354/in/set-72157601073010614/
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 22 October 2009, 09:31:41 PM: Quote from: Schogun on 22 October 2009, 08:20:47 PM
Line drawing with rear view at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7700258@N05/937519354/in/set-72157601073010614/

Thanks, got that already... I'd need a photo... Otherwise I'll have to use my illusion ;-)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on 23 October 2009, 09:26:05 AM: Quote from: Doc Twilight on 22 October 2009, 11:01:36 AM
Ehrhardt = Off to the caster.. will announce more when I hear something.

Doc, I could kiss you! :-* Any chance of a sneaky peeky? And now the Romfell too! It's almost too much to bear... Didn't you mention something about a Garford Armored Truck on Forum Noir (http://blackarmy.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=133251&p=3&topicID=31155471) too? Quickly, where are the smelling salts?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 23 October 2009, 09:37:58 AM: Hello.... I made a few approaches on the Romfell skeleton the last two days. I'll take pictures as soon as I'm satisfied with a version... that thing is going to be a beast to build ;)

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 23 October 2009, 10:49:41 PM: Quote from: Funghy-Fipps on 23 October 2009, 09:26:05 AM
Doc, I could kiss you! :-* Any chance of a sneaky peeky? And now the Romfell too! It's almost too much to bear... Didn't you mention something about a Garford Armored Truck on Forum Noir (http://blackarmy.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=133251&p=3&topicID=31155471) too? Quickly, where are the smelling salts?

Well, I appreciate the offer, but the missus might object *grin*.

The Garford is a serious consideration. It'd be big, and it might be complicated. I think Tobi could do it. But whether he'd WANT To do it is another thing entirely. It's certainly an intimidating beastie. Then again, he took on the Ehrhardt, so.... We have also talked about the possibility of doing DaVinci's tank next. And then there's that armored motorbike that the SMP used.

Anyway, lots of potential.

If you have ideas and suggestions for vehicles, please feel free to post them at FN (or here, of course, just trying to encourage use of FN, might as well get my money's worth out of the service.) I'm very much open to them.

-Doc
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 24 October 2009, 01:07:34 PM: Hi... first impressions.... veeeery very rough still.

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell1.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell2.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell3.jpg)

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 24 October 2009, 07:36:42 PM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 24 October 2009, 01:07:34 PM
Hi... first impressions.... veeeery very rough still.

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell1.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell2.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell3.jpg)

Tobi

I think the shape you've got looks pretty good, compared to the shots I have. I suspect it'll fill out nicely. Nicely done.

-Alex
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 24 October 2009, 08:44:22 PM: yep

looks good, as expected

would be curious about the measurements?
are these to be found somewehere?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: andekmcc on 24 October 2009, 09:08:21 PM: looking really good :), all those curves are beyond my scratchbuilding capabilities ;)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 24 October 2009, 09:58:15 PM: Quote from: former user on 24 October 2009, 08:44:22 PM
yep

looks good, as expected

would be curious about the measurements?
are these to be found somewehere?

Thanks! Somewhere the length was stated with 5,64m... makes a perfect 10cm in 28mm ;) Rest of the dimensions are estimated by the pictures.

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 24 October 2009, 10:18:22 PM: some time next Year my alternate history Romfells MK II to V might be done ;)

meanwhile, I'm looking forward to th real thing
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Ignatieff on 25 October 2009, 11:33:17 AM: splendid! I'm having a squadron!!! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 26 October 2009, 10:35:16 AM: I smashed that prototype in anger and built another one ;) If that doesn't come out good, I'll spent the rest of the week painting some lead.

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 26 October 2009, 01:36:24 PM: I think that without the turret it would make a great Batmobile :D

I think if i smashed one up i would give it up as a bad job!

Keith :?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 26 October 2009, 02:55:08 PM: Actually I thought about the Batmobile idea too. It would need bigger wheels and some fenders. I'll try to convert one (if the original version is finished some day) lol

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 26 October 2009, 03:18:25 PM: @tobi, why did You smash the prototype?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 26 October 2009, 03:34:56 PM: Quote from: former user on 26 October 2009, 03:18:25 PM
@tobi, why did You smash the prototype?

The proportions were wrong, it would have taken more time to fix them, than to build a new hull. I reused some of the parts, but built up most of the body again. I'll post some pictures tonight (if little Paul allows to) ;)

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 27 October 2009, 09:51:56 AM: Rebuild completed, camera broken. Looks good now, finework starts now! Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 27 October 2009, 09:54:49 AM: Blimey you don't hang about, just waiting for the batmobile version now :D

Keith :?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 27 October 2009, 11:17:45 AM: hope You didn't smash the camera too ;)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 28 October 2009, 08:20:13 AM: Tobi do you have any tips for bending plastic sheet?

Keith :?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 28 October 2009, 09:16:23 AM: Quote from: aircav on 28 October 2009, 08:20:13 AM
Tobi do you have any tips for bending plastic sheet?
Keith :?

Hello... I use 2 different types of sheet for curved shapes, 0.5mm and 1mm. Bending the thin sheet is easy, you just have to be careful not to produce kinks. I usually build a skeleton first and bend the sheet around it, like here:

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/seagull1.jpg)

Then I put a second layer of 0.5mm on top, which is usually smoother than the first one and stabilzes it.

Bending 1mm can work nicely on some shapes when you CAREFULLY heat the sheet under a lamp or use a hairdryer. (Lighters don't work, they are to hot on a too small area)
With 1mm I always use superglue to keep it in position quickly, the thinner sheet can be fixed with normal plastic glue.

...this is the new rough version of the Romfell.

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell4.jpg)

Camera still broken hab to use the phone...

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 28 October 2009, 09:19:35 AM: Thanks for the info Tobi :D

Romfell MK2 is looking good :D :D :D

Keith :?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 28 October 2009, 09:21:48 AM: Clear hackery lol

Beautiful work, my friend. Your sculpting -almost- equals the sensuous and brilliant lines of this Hungarian original ;)

Seriously, dude, awesome. Keep it up.

-Doc
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: andekmcc on 30 October 2009, 08:45:09 AM: looking good :) looking forward to seeing the finished article
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 05 November 2009, 08:23:55 AM: That car is killing me.... I hope to have some new photos by the end of the week. Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 05 November 2009, 08:26:56 AM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 05 November 2009, 08:23:55 AM
That car is killing me....

why so?
wanna discuss problems to get a new angle?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 05 November 2009, 08:28:02 AM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 05 November 2009, 08:23:55 AM
That car is killing me.... I hope to have some new photos by the end of the week. Tobi

Yes, indeed, I agree with former user. Share your problems. Maybe we can help?

-Alex
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 05 November 2009, 08:59:23 AM: Thanks ;) It's not so much the shape but the details. There are not really many of them besides the rivets, and these few look different on every photo I found... the front grill for example or the housing of the wheels in the back. I think I'll mix them up in the next session and start riveting. Nothing makes a naked scratchbuilt vehicle pop like rivets lol
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 05 November 2009, 09:16:11 AM: reasses Your sources

remember, some of the pictures might show simply wooden design prototypes and there was much retouching done at that time, or the vehicle was simply changed due to field experience

also, not many were built, so simply go with Your feeling and improve it
as long as it looks realistic it should be fine

I've seen many vehicles that just repeat the basic appearance, but go rampage on the details

so trust Your experience and improvise, it can't go wrong
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 05 November 2009, 09:27:21 AM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 05 November 2009, 08:59:23 AM
Thanks ;) It's not so much the shape but the details. There are not really many of them besides the rivets, and these few look different on every photo I found... the front grill for example or the housing of the wheels in the back. I think I'll mix them up in the next session and start riveting. Nothing makes a naked scratchbuilt vehicle pop like rivets lol

Tobi -

Remember, only two or three Romfells were actually completed in time to see service. Something like thirty were in various stages of completion at the end of the war. They were built in Hungary, which did not have a particularly large industrial base at the time, and from everything I've read, they were each hand built, by craftsmen...

In other words, though they were pretty high quality vehicles, each was probably a little different in appearance, details, etc. Of the two or three that saw service,I'd wager every one was a bit different. Find a grill you like, and go with that one - same with other details. Really, don't sweat the small stuff - do what you think looks best. If one rivet is off, then well, that picky person can just add a rivet himself;)

I think those of us who actually want these things will simply be pleased that we'll finally HAVE one, rather than being worried about the grill not being identical to the photo of the one of three we happen to have access to!

-Alex
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 11 November 2009, 09:04:12 PM: Hello... finally made some progress...

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell5.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell6.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell7.jpg)

Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 11 November 2009, 09:48:14 PM: OOOH... Pretty. Me like. Excellent work, Tobi.

-Alex
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Wirelizard on 11 November 2009, 09:48:29 PM: Oh wow! Want! Hurry up and finish it so Doc can cast it for the rest of us!
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 12 November 2009, 09:01:12 AM: That is a work of art Tobi :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Keith :?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: andekmcc on 12 November 2009, 09:23:21 AM: stunning!! :P

Could you tell me what your using for your wheels? they look metal.

cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 12 November 2009, 10:25:58 AM: Quote from: andekmcc on 12 November 2009, 09:23:21 AM
Could you tell me what your using for your wheels? they look metal.

I use different sized washers and coins.

Thanks,
Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: gamer Mac on 12 November 2009, 10:36:25 AM: Great work on what looks like a very difficult shape.
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: andekmcc on 12 November 2009, 10:38:06 AM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 12 November 2009, 10:25:58 AM
I use different sized washers and coins.

Thanks,
Tobi

why didnt I think of that... brilliant many thanks
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: former user on 12 November 2009, 12:46:57 PM: that's what I call neat

You are getting better with every model

when are You going to stop? ;) (getting better :D)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Aaron on 12 November 2009, 01:39:25 PM: I am very impressed. I seem to remember someone on another forum calling your stuff something like "toy junk". I wonder how their crow tastes? ;)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 23 November 2009, 09:55:38 PM: First round of rivets finished... more to come.

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell8.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell9.jpg)

Cheers,
Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: aircav on 24 November 2009, 07:57:22 AM: that is brilliant :D :-* :D :-* :D :-*
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 04 December 2009, 09:05:41 PM: It is done!

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell10.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell11.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell12.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell13.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell14.jpg)

What a bugger!
Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Calimero on 04 December 2009, 09:47:05 PM: Real nice model 8)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 04 December 2009, 11:42:38 PM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 04 December 2009, 09:05:41 PM
It is done!

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell10.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell11.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell12.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell13.jpg)

(http://www.tobsen77.de/images/romfell14.jpg)

What a bugger!
Tobi

Beautiful work, Tobi. Drop me a line when you get a chance.

-Doc
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on 05 December 2009, 09:33:51 AM: Beautiful work as usual, Tobi :-*

I'm thinking how to convert it to a VSF version ;)
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Calimero on 05 December 2009, 01:49:48 PM: Quote from: Gluteus Maximus on 05 December 2009, 09:33:51 AM
Beautiful work as usual, Tobi :-*
I'm thinking how to convert it to a VSF version ;)

...add more rivets? ;)

lol
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: The Worker on 15 December 2009, 12:08:44 PM: That's superb. Well done Tobi!

When will it be available?
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Tobsen77 on 15 December 2009, 09:17:52 PM: Quote from: The Worker on 15 December 2009, 12:08:44 PM
That's superb. Well done Tobi!

When will it be available?

Thanks! I'm shipping it to the Doc these days, don't know his schedule ;) Tobi
Title: Re: Romfell No. 1
Post by: Doc Twilight on 15 December 2009, 10:09:29 PM: Quote from: Tobsen77 on 15 December 2009, 09:17:52 PM
Thanks! I'm shipping it to the Doc these days, don't know his schedule ;) Tobi

Worker and Tobi -

Assuming that I manage to get the Romfell this month (and that depends upon how hard the US Post feels like working in the next few weeks), and assuming that I send the Romfell right out for production, then the caster will have the vehicle in hand by January.

Now, the Ehrhardt took a very long time. In fact the caster admitted he'd dropped the ball on it - they had it for something like three months before they got around to casting/molding. However, normally he's pretty quick (by industry standards) so if I had to guess, I'd assume the prototype by February...

So I think we can look at February as the earliest we might realistically see it. It may be possible that they'd work extra fast and have it done by January (stranger things have happened), but I don't want to make promises, as the casting process for resin is relatively slow (they have a huge order queue, and only so many machines).

Around that time we might very well also see the -other- new vehicle in the range, which I will be posting about shortly;) (This one wasn't done by Tobi, but by another LAF member for the Build Something contest.) I believe Herr Tobsen will be working on something decidedly -different- for his next commission with me. (*steeples fingertips insidiously*)

-Doc

-Doc