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Title: Oh yes….. Napoleon by Ridley Scott
Post by: Digits on 12 July 2023, 09:22:57 AM: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BpyYG0LRBrQ
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Post by: black hat miniatures on 12 July 2023, 09:40:19 AM: As pointed out by a friend - at 1.13 in the cavalry charge everyone is left handed!

Looks good

Mike
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on 12 July 2023, 09:57:37 AM: It looks very entertaining 8)
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Post by: vtsaogames on 12 July 2023, 11:45:09 AM: When Joaquin Phoenix first appeared in Gladiator, I thought, my, he looks more like Napoleon than anyone else I've seen on screen except perhaps Brando. might have to give this a look. NAh, definitely give this a look.
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Post by: vtsaogames on 12 July 2023, 01:42:01 PM: Joaquin looked more like him when younger. Josephine was a few years older than Napoleon.
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Post by: has.been on 12 July 2023, 04:59:32 PM: Looks sumptuous, & David, they nearly have as many French troops as you do. lol lol lol
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Post by: Digits on 12 July 2023, 05:11:43 PM: It’s be a low budget then! 😝
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Post by: Inkpaduta on 12 July 2023, 06:00:09 PM: This isn't going to be in theaters right. This is on Apple + or is Apple + filming it for the big screen?
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Post by: Cubs on 12 July 2023, 06:46:56 PM: If I can keep telling myself it's for entertainment, not for accuracy, I think I will enjoy that.
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Post by: aphillathehun on 13 July 2023, 12:20:51 AM: Just watched the trailer....

Remind me, just out of curiosity, where can I get Front Rank napoleonics these days?
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Post by: Digits on 13 July 2023, 11:39:24 AM: Quote from: Inkpaduta on 12 July 2023, 06:00:09 PM
This isn't going to be in theaters right. This is on Apple + or is Apple + filming it for the big screen?

Cinema release in November then exclusively on Apple thereafter.

Front rank minis on Gripping Beast I think.
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Post by: Ray Rivers on 13 July 2023, 03:34:12 PM: Quote from: Cubs on 12 July 2023, 06:46:56 PM
If I can keep telling myself it's for entertainment, not for accuracy, I think I will enjoy that.

Yep.
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Post by: MiniPigs on 15 July 2023, 12:30:24 PM: It's a trap!
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Post by: Patrice on 15 July 2023, 02:55:14 PM: Cannot be worse than Christian Clavier. :D

(https://tv-programme.com/pic/episodes/12/129398.jpg)
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Post by: vtsaogames on 16 July 2023, 03:02:01 PM: All accuracy quibbles aside, I will be on line for tickets in the theater.
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Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on 16 July 2023, 04:41:27 PM: Me too…let’s just hope it doesn’t depict something like medieval amphibious landing craft and hidden scraps of Magna Carta in a Saxon tomb!
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Post by: olicana on 16 July 2023, 06:58:01 PM: Who's playing Pauline Bonaparte?
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Post by: peleset on 18 July 2023, 11:24:40 AM: I look forward to seeing Napoleon storm the Great Redoubt chewing bubblegum and kicking ...!
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Post by: Greystreak on 18 July 2023, 04:00:30 PM: Quote from: olicana on 16 July 2023, 06:58:01 PM
Who's playing Pauline Bonaparte?

It could only be Salma Hayek or Eva Green. :P
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Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on 21 July 2023, 12:11:45 AM: Hayek or Greem…man, it would be hard to say which would be best. tag team?

I expect that the man who did “The Duelists” is going to treat the subject well.
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Post by: vodkafan on 21 July 2023, 06:55:33 PM: Quote from: olicana on 16 July 2023, 06:58:01 PM
Who's playing Pauline Bonaparte?

Surely only Mila Kunis can play this part
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Post by: Harry Faversham on 14 March 2024, 07:45:21 PM: Just watched this tripe again on Apple, forgot how dire it was first time around!
>:(
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Post by: Cholmondely Percival IV on 14 March 2024, 08:04:51 PM: Did you really have to remind us of its existence?
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Post by: dickiegranthum on 06 April 2024, 02:45:52 PM: Quote from: Harry Faversham on 14 March 2024, 07:45:21 PM
Just watched this tripe again on Apple, forgot how dire it was first time around!
>:(

Indeed - took me the better part of two days to finish it, just kept walking away lol
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Post by: The Dozing Dragon on 06 April 2024, 03:05:40 PM: I lasted about 30 minutes... my ex wife would have said that was good for me lol
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Post by: Cubs on 06 April 2024, 03:12:41 PM: Quote from: The Dozing Dragon on 06 April 2024, 03:05:40 PM
I lasted about 30 minutes... my ex wife would have said that was good for me lol

Was it because you couldn't think of another film?
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Post by: dickiegranthum on 07 April 2024, 06:40:34 AM: Quote from: Cubs on 06 April 2024, 03:12:41 PM
Was it because you couldn't think of another film?

Perhaps a documentary about the husbandry of Welsh sheep? lol
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Post by: olicana on 21 April 2024, 05:01:30 PM: I actually paid top dollar to see this piece of, whatever. Fortunately, I was watching it in a boutique cinema and after an hour, in dire need of brain bleach, I was able to pop out to the foyer and buy a bottle of red and a straw: Unfortunately, a brain stain remains.

I just hope Spielberg's effort is going to be better - it would be hard not to be.
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Post by: Redshank on 22 April 2024, 05:26:10 PM: Finally watched this on a plane last week. It really is as bad as everyone says.
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Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on 22 April 2024, 05:34:42 PM: Watching it on a plane destroyed the few good things it offered in terms of photography, costumes and sets. I found it was worth the 2£ I spent on it at a matinee—-in which a free cup of tea and biscuits was included for the price of admission. lol
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Post by: vtsaogames on 22 April 2024, 06:28:22 PM: Quote from: olicana on 21 April 2024, 05:01:30 PM
...I just hope Spielberg's effort is going to be better - it would be hard not to be.

Is he working on one?

Edit: I see, a 7-part TV series for HBO based on Kubrick's unfinished project. Hmm.
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Post by: Ethelred the Almost Ready on 23 April 2024, 07:30:45 AM: Quote from: vtsaogames on 22 April 2024, 06:28:22 PM
Is he working on one?

Edit: I see, a 7-part TV series for HBO based on Kubrick's unfinished project. Hmm.

This has been kicking around for a while. Most of what I have read makes it sound like it is happening but there is scant detail, which makes me think it probably isn't. :'(
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Post by: Cubs on 23 April 2024, 09:31:45 AM: Quote from: Redshank on 22 April 2024, 05:26:10 PM
Finally watched this on a plane last week. It really is as bad as everyone says.

I'll bet some people still walked out.
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Post by: Pattus Magnus on 23 April 2024, 03:50:10 PM: “I'll bet some people still walked out.” lol lol

That’s quite the statement about how bad the movie is! I haven’t seen it yet, and probably won’t.
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Post by: has.been on 23 April 2024, 05:08:18 PM: Quote
I haven’t seen it yet, and probably won’t.

Oh you must see it...why should we be the only ones to suffer? lol
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Post by: CapnJim on 23 April 2024, 05:21:37 PM: Quote from: has.been on 23 April 2024, 05:08:18 PM
Oh you must see it...why should we be the only ones to suffer? lol

Yeah - misery loves company - I don't think i could stand a 2nd viewing, though...
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Post by: Pattus Magnus on 23 April 2024, 06:58:06 PM: Are the uniforms at least plausible? I get hung up when a movie or series set in a “historical” period completely ignores what folks actually wore in the time period. That godawful King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightly, for example… I’m not sure that I am up for the masochism OG putting up with enormous plot holes if the visual spectacle doesn’t compensate a bit.
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Post by: Ethelred the Almost Ready on 23 April 2024, 08:21:49 PM: Quote from: Pattus Magnus on 23 April 2024, 06:58:06 PM
Are the uniforms at least plausible? I get hung up when a movie or series set in a “historical” period completely ignores what folks actually wore in the time period. That godawful King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightly, for example… I’m not sure that I am up for the masochism OG putting up with enormous plot holes if the visual spectacle doesn’t compensate a bit.

There are a few visual gems in the movie. The uniforms and sets are great. I think they did the Coup of 18 Brumaire well. The battles are awful. I don't understand how many film critics found the battles to be "epic". None were particularly exciting (except, perhaps the battle at Toulon) and most completely ignored Napoleonic formations and tactics.
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Post by: Pattus Magnus on 24 April 2024, 03:29:04 AM: “ The uniforms and sets are great.” That’s something, I suppose. The movie sounds like a lost opportunity, though. They had a massive budget, high profile cast, and then couldn’t be bothered to pay attention to the historical content. I don’t get that - it’s not like a crew of competent historical advisors would cost anything like what one of the star actors was paid. I can only assume that they didn’t think the audience is sophisticated enough to grasp a historically accurate plot. Given that film critics found the battles epic, maybe that’s justified.
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Post by: Harry Faversham on 24 April 2024, 05:43:28 AM: The battle scenes were pretty dire. Some of the scuffles in Sharpe are more 'epic'!
:(
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Post by: Fitz on 24 April 2024, 05:45:11 AM: Are you suggesting that Napoleonic battlefield tactics didn't consist of two crowds of men running at each other in disorganised mobs?
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Post by: Cholmondely Percival IV on 27 April 2024, 04:53:58 PM: Quote from: Pattus Magnus on 23 April 2024, 06:58:06 PM
Are the uniforms at least plausible? I get hung up when a movie or series set in a “historical” period completely ignores what folks actually wore in the time period. That godawful King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightly, for example… I’m not sure that I am up for the masochism OG putting up with enormous plot holes if the visual spectacle doesn’t compensate a bit.

I haven’t seen King Arthur but I recall an interview with Kiera Knightly in which she discussed an idea she’d had for increasing her character’s historical accuracy, which wasn’t adopted. It entailed her being naked in a battle scene, apparently to distract her opponents and facilitate her killing them.. More research is needed in this area, I feel.
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Post by: Cholmondely Percival IV on 27 April 2024, 04:55:25 PM: Quote from: Cubs on 23 April 2024, 09:31:45 AM
I'll bet some people still walked out.

Some didn’t even bother asking for a parachute.
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Post by: The Dozing Dragon on 01 May 2024, 10:12:02 PM: I attempted to persevere last night... it did not last long...
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Post by: dickiegranthum on 03 May 2024, 02:03:53 AM: Quote from: Cubs on 23 April 2024, 09:31:45 AM
I'll bet some people still walked out.

So… twist this handle, pull in, and I’m out the door! Glad I read the pre-flight pamphlet!
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Post by: dickiegranthum on 03 May 2024, 02:04:55 AM: Quote from: The Dozing Dragon on 01 May 2024, 10:12:02 PM
I attempted to persevere last night... it did not last long...

Took me all day to get through it. It truly is awful.
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Post by: olicana on 03 May 2024, 05:39:15 PM: Quote from: dickiegranthum on 03 May 2024, 02:04:55 AM
Took me all day to get through it.

It's going to take even longer than that to get over it. I'm still coming out in cold sweats.
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Post by: Cholmondely Percival IV on 03 May 2024, 06:15:03 PM: The consensus appears to be that this may not be one of Sir Ridley’s better efforts?
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Post by: Patrice on 03 May 2024, 08:38:16 PM: I still haven't seen the film. Some small bits I've seen have attracted my curiosity but I could not believe it was real, it seems so ridiculous.

OTOH I've seen comments on internet of some French ultra-nationalist Napoleon admirers, who seem utterly outraged, that could let me to have some indulgence. lol lol
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Post by: Basementboy on 03 May 2024, 10:24:30 PM: To be fair we’ve had some great historical films over recent years, I think we can allow Hollywood this slip-up :)
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Post by: Harry Faversham on 04 May 2024, 09:36:02 AM: By the time it got to Waterloo, I thought it couldn't get any worse, I was wrong! The Little Man in the funny 'at gads about skewering people with his sabre. When he knocks off at snap time, there's a fat bloke stood behind him, gnashing his teeth and scowling. It's not till it all goes tits up that this clown bellows his only line...

"Come and see how a Marshal of France dies!"

:o
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Post by: DaveCrow on 05 May 2024, 12:54:34 PM: My dear wife fell asleep during our line and only watch. She was the lucky one.

Wasn't Napoleon supposed to be possessed of great charisma? We got a petulant sulker with the charisma of wet cardboard.

If you haven't seen Napoleon yet do your self a favor and go watch Star Wars: The Phantom Menace instead. It is truly the more enjoyable experience.

We didn't quite get the massed cavalry charge down a steep hill into massed pikes that Perter Jackson gave us. That at least you could follow what was happening. Instead we got, god only knows what confused mess.
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Post by: Melnibonean on 31 August 2024, 07:42:04 AM: This thread is fantastic. The first page and a half it is all optimism, hope and wishful expectation for a grand spectacle. However, half way down page two, it takes a sharp left turn into distain, contempt and a general feeling to outrage. lol It is so good.

I haven't seen the film. I expected, from seeing the trailer, that it was going to be bad and Ii was proven right. I don't want to see it and I never will, but it was great to read this thread. It's absolute gold!
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Post by: Old Contemptable on 03 September 2024, 07:36:09 AM: More of the same. I don't like being reminded about it. Let it go to the dustbin of history.

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=143561.0
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Post by: Daeothar on 03 September 2024, 08:30:48 AM: Judging by the aforementioned left turn in appreciation for this film, I suppose this one would be the better choice? :D

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8ec0a2_20a2dfcc14874d6ca341a97bcba9bb2f~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_708,h_430,al_c,q_80,enc_auto/8ec0a2_20a2dfcc14874d6ca341a97bcba9bb2f~mv2.jpg)
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Post by: Bloggard on 03 September 2024, 10:23:07 AM: looks like danny de vito to me ... which would be quite good actually.
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Post by: Daeothar on 03 September 2024, 10:43:35 AM: (it's a fake add for a movie starring Danny DeVito's character in the real movie Get Shorty. He's Shorty... ;) )
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Post by: olicana on 04 September 2024, 11:38:04 PM: I was thinking about this film again the other day - it came on me all of a sudden, and yet again I spat my coffee - and I began to wonder what R.S. Was thinking when he story boarded the battle scenes. Surely, with CGI as good as it is, more could have been done, rather than rely on a couple of hundred re-enactors tramping about in a muddy field. The Lord of the Rings films had some really epic looking battles and much of that was CGI and how much has the tech come on since then. An opportunity missed by someone embedded in the old way of doing things.

I don’t think the story would have been better (it was a dreadful script) but visually it could have been stunning.
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Post by: Count Belisarius on 05 September 2024, 07:48:15 AM: The extended Director's Cut is out. An extra 48 minutes. Apparently mostly of Josephine. I'll pass...

I usually give big historical epics a lot of leeway. They are few and far between and I'll often re-watch them (or parts of) to see the few epic battle bits. Napoleon is the first film in ages that I've never even looked at again....

A
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Post by: Cholmondely Percival IV on 05 September 2024, 05:11:36 PM: I understand that Sir Ridley is of the opinion that the pyramids of Giza were built not by normal - if extraordinarily dedicated and skilful - geezers but by aliens, or at any rate with their help. I wonder whether this goes some way to explaining why he shows Napoleon - or rather, mere Bonaparte as he was at the time - firing cannon at them, possibly as some sort of challenge, or in an attempt to validate this theory. It still doesn’t make much sense but at least there would be some sort of reasoning behind it.

Never mind, at least we have Gladiator 2 to look forward to
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Post by: Daeothar on 05 September 2024, 06:07:40 PM: Quote from: Cholmondely Percival IV on 05 September 2024, 05:11:36 PM
...at least we have Gladiator 2 to look forward to

lol
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Post by: DaveCrow on 10 September 2024, 01:52:37 PM: My reaction to the extended Director's Cut was "oh, yes. Let's take a dreadful and boring film and make it longer..." A better director's cut would be to cut most of it out. I'm sure there's a shot or two worth keeping buried in there somewhere.

As for Gladiator 2, my name's not Billy. (Please tell me I'm not the only one here who remembers Airplane...) I still haven't gotten over the prominent arc welds on the prison bars. They should have been punched, slit and drifted. I know arc welding is quicker, but it is also obviously modern and not at all the way the Romans built things. Life of Brian had more historical accuracy.

But this is the man who gets all the credit for Dan O'Bannon's sci-fi horror masterpiece.