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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Ninefingers on 01 October 2023, 11:23:44 AM
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Romano-British Pedyts and characters. Figures by Gripping Beast and Footsore.
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Looking good!
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Looks great!
What rule set are they based for?
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Very nice indeed. Still some of my favourite sculpts.
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Beautiful work!
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Great looking collection, I do like the footsore range
Cheers
Matt
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Looks great!
What rule set are they based for?
Lion Rampant, Dux Bellorum, and Midgard
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Great looking collection, I do like the footsore range
Cheers
Matt
As do I but, the majority of the figs appear to be Gripping Beast and old ones at that.
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As do I but, the majority of the figs appear to be Gripping Beast and old ones at that.
Indeed, love those old scupts. These were originally painted about 25 years ago, and then stripped recently.
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Romano-British heavy infantry and skirmishers, plus everything I've got done so far.
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Coming along nicely!
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Another stand of archers, some cavalry, and some Cataphracts (all Gripping Beast). Also, some Picts from 1st Corps - but are they friend or foe?
Plus a full army shot of the Romano-British.
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Fantastic photos of beautifully painted figures. I thought adding piles of leaves was a brilliant idea. Any quick advice on how to do it?
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They look lovely! And agreed the leaves are a very nice touch.
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Fantastic photos of beautifully painted figures. I thought adding piles of leaves was a brilliant idea. Any quick advice on how to do it?
Thank you, the leaves are this product from Amazon: Tiardey 56ML Model Scenery Leaf Litter Models Simulation Leaf Leaves Deciduous Effect - Golden leaves https://amzn.eu/d/bJ41YAU (https://amzn.eu/d/bJ41YAU)
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Were cataphracts in Britain?
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Were cataphracts in Britain?
Maybe at one time, say under the Army of Constantine (latterly "The Great"), but not in the Sub Roman era.
This info is based on the very sound knowledge of Professor Guy Halsall in his advisory roll when we were playtesting the Age of Arthur WAB supplement so it pretty damn solid.
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Were cataphracts in Britain?
In the words of Ridley Scott, "were you there?" lol
Fanciful stuff maybe, but it's my army and I don't count buttons :D
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In the words of Ridley Scott, "were you there?" lol
No, nor where you. But perhaps the point is someone, in this case Aethelflaeda asked a question and I answered it to my best of my ability. The answer was not aimed at you; nor was it a critique of your army. Just to be clear, it was simply a direct answer to a direct question.
Fanciful stuff maybe, but it's my army and I don't count buttons :D
There's no reason at all to start being insulting. To infer that someone who cares about history, who you do not know, is a button counter for answering a question posed by another member is an insult. The forum does have rules.
This is LAF where members are free to enjoy the forum but not at the expence of others; this is not The Miniatures Page!
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I think you can get away with cataphracts in post Roman Britain. Not many but nobody has any scientific evidence one way or another.
We do know from the Notitia Dignitatum that the Comes Britanniarum has a unit, Equites catafractarii iuniores, drawn from the overall command of the Magister Equitum. That unit was probably, in itself, drawn (or was) the same as that listed under the command of the Praefectus equitum catafractariorum, at Morbio, under the list for the Dux Britanniarum. When the Notitia Dignitatum was last updated is debatable but probably very late 4th century. So cataphracts were known in Britain. Whether they were the armoured horse variety is also debatable or just armoured riders.
Could a warlord have afforded to have some cataphracts as part of his warband? A small number yes. Many very unlikely. They may not, however, have made much tactical sense. They do not transport well. They are most useful in large pitched battles, with supporting light cavalry (horse archers) and infantry. Not hugely relevant for post-Roman British military conditions where skirmish and siege may have been more relevant.
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double post
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Fab looking army, I'm still tempted to try something similar using pendrakens 10mm range
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I think you can get away with cataphracts in post Roman Britain. Not many but nobody has any scientific evidence one way or another.
We do know from the Notitia Dignitatum that the Comes Britanniarum has a unit, Equites catafractarii iuniores, drawn from the overall command of the Magister Equitum. That unit was probably, in itself, drawn (or was) the same as that listed under the command of the Praefectus equitum catafractariorum, at Morbio, under the list for the Dux Britanniarum. When the Notitia Dignitatum was last updated is debatable but probably very late 4th century. So cataphracts were known in Britain. Whether they were the armoured horse variety is also debatable or just armoured riders.
Could a warlord have afforded to have some cataphracts as part of his warband? A small number yes. Many very unlikely. They may not, however, have made much tactical sense. They do not transport well. They are most useful in large pitched battles, with supporting light cavalry (horse archers) and infantry. Not hugely relevant for post-Roman British military conditions where skirmish and siege may have been more relevant.
Interesting to see that there were some around, although they were a lot rarer in the Western Empire (or what was left of it) compared to the East. In the end, it's three figures on a base because if memory serves you can have a single unit of them in the Late Roman list in Dux Bellorum.
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In the words of Ridley Scott, "were you there?" lol
Fanciful stuff maybe, but it's my army and I don't count buttons :D
I wasn’t being critical, more curious about the historical record. When we see Romano Britons, it’s not uncommon to see 16th century tournament armour being used alongside bare-chested tattooed 1st Century Celts led by 13th century garbed priestesses in chariots, and we still enjoy it. I think it’s time to go find Excalibur for another viewing! now just where can i find some African swallows…
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I wasn’t being critical, more curious about the historical record. When we see Romano Britons, it’s not uncommon to see 16th century tournament armour being used alongside bare-chested tattooed 1st Century Celts led by 13th century garbed priestesses in chariots, and we still enjoy it. I think it’s time to go find Excalibur for another viewing! now just where can i find some African swallows…
That's why my inspiration is more from Bernard Cornwell's Arthurian trilogy. It may be an imagined narrative of the late 5th century, but it certainly feels 'in period'.
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In the WAB Age of Arthur supplement, the Romano-British are allowed 1 elite unit (Commanipulares) which can be mounted with thrusting spears. As the authors say this "reflects the possibility that some soldiers were well trained in heavy cavalry tactics, similar to (but less effective than) those employed by the kontos-wielding cataphracts of the Eastern Empire". Moreover, you can use character advantages Finest Armour (to give heavy armour), Professional (giving drilled) and Knight Commander (+1 rank bonus). Gets you fairly close in game stat terms to the barded late Roman cataphracts of in the Fall of the West supplement.
So I admit that when playing WAB AoA, I've used barded horses to represent the commanipulares unit. When Victrix launch their Late Roman cataphracts a few might accidentally find there way into my Romano-British roster. Whether that's historical or not is impossible to ascertain. They look nice though!
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Lion Rampant, Dux Bellorum, and Midgard
I think what was meant was - What is the frontage of each base... ;)
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I live near Ribchester up in Lancashire and the museum on the site of the old Roman fort is full of interesting finds. Certainly the cavalry that were based there seem like heavy cavalry and would probably pass for Cataphracts.... if you google the Ribchester helmet you can see that the cavalry there must have been almost Cataphract like.
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I've started on the Early Saxons to oppose them. First up are commanders and champions, then six bases of heavy infantry and four bases of skirmishers. These can be used for Lion Rampant or Dux Bellorum. Figures are Gripping Beast and Footsore, with a few West Wind.
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Brilliant project, Ninefingers! :o
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Excellent work on those! I like the mix of poses in the infantry units and your painting and basing look great!
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Sorry, late to this post as I’ve not been around much on LAF recently. These are lovely. Especially nice to see the old GB metal Celts getting some fine paintwork.
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Excellent post and beautifully presented figures. I have Romano-British and Early Saxon armies of old GB, perhaps 200 Inf and 20 Cav. Bought and painted well over 25 years ago, some of them have been on the table ONCE :( :( :( :(
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I really like the painting style....very similar to mine (yours in better btw just to be clear lol) in that I 'feel' the period is more shabby than chic in terms of appearance, dress, etc
28mm is wargaming catnip
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Very nice. I'm inspired to start working on my own Dark Ages project.
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Very nice. I'm inspired to start working on my own Dark Ages project.
I am am minded to try and finish my Dark Ages projects
groans....
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I am am minded to try and finish my Dark Ages projects
groans....
WHAT
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I have an affliction
"ooh shiny, shiny stuff"
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I have an affliction
"ooh shiny, shiny stuff"
I think the same is true for most on this forum… lol
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:-D
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Early Saxon warlord (every range has a Sutton Hoo helmet) and a Pict commander I realised I hadn't posted on here.
Saxon is Gripping Beast, Pict is Footsore.
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Love that Command base mate, nice work!
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Stunning and giving far too much inspiration for my own projects. Trying to concentrate on a couple of warbands now want to get some Picts too.
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More shiny stuff
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Those are beautiful!
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Lovely work!
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I've been working on other things, I have 24 Saxon warriors finished but need to finish the same amount again so that I can base them all up together. I have managed to get this Pict Chariot from Wargames Foundry finished though.
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nice work!
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I've broken the back of the Early Saxons, with five units of warriors (Duguth?) completed. I really see these as pre-shieldwall, hence the mix of small and large shields.
The figures are a mix of Gripping Beast, Footsore, and Casting Room Miniatures, which gives a good mix of styles and heights! Cornwell-approved wardogs are plastic Wargames Atlantic from their Irish set.
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Great stuff, that mix does indeed make a great looking unit
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great work sirrah!
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Moving on to some more Picts before I paint the Saxon horsemen.
This is the Gripping Beast Pict Chariot, he likes to get a-head... along with the previously painted Wargames Foundry one. There is also a Gripping Beast Pict Warlord who will serve as a champion of some sort.
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Wonderful stuff! Love that champion on foot, he certainly looks eager :D
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More Picts. Two units of warriors and a unit of crossbows. These are Gripping Beast plastics and a few metals.
Plus a group shot of the whole raiding force so far.
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One final unit of Romano-British infantry (Gripping Beast) and two units of Saxon cavalry (Gripping Beast and Footsore).
So ends a project that's taken about a year to complete, so I'll finish up with pictures of the three (perhaps) completed armies, Early Saxon, Romano-British, and Picts.
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Love it. Any plans for more from the period or are you calling it done here? (And cracking work either way)
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Love it. Any plans for more from the period or are you calling it done here? (And cracking work either way)
I'll probably expand the Picts at some point. I've also got some painted plastic Gripping Beast Late Romans that are individually based. I should probably re-base those onto single MDF bases. That'll add a unit of cavalry, two infantry units, and two archer units to the Romano-British.
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I look forward to seeing it! :D
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Little late to the party. (Nothing new for me.) lol
Lovely figures.
What a treat to see. :-*
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They are lovely, fantastic choice of colours
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Thank you Marine and Wilgut!
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Here are some images of the figures in combat, using James Morris's Mead Price rules.
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This is an impressive project! The painted figures are excellent and they look great being used in the game.
Did you enjoy the Mead Price rules?
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This is an impressive project! The painted figures are excellent and they look great being used in the game.
Did you enjoy the Mead Price rules?
Yes, it's an excellent club game if you just want to get two armies out and bash them together.
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It is always nice to see such a great looking game!
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Oengus Mac Airem, King of Demetia, and his Blackshield Irish.
28mm figures from Gripping Beast.
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They turned out rather nicely - great painting
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Reinforcements for the Picts, two units of warriors and a commander.
All Gripping Beast plastics with a few other bits here and there.
Plus a shot of all the Picts now, looking a bit more of a respectable force. There are two units of skirmishing cavalry in the painting queue for them.
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Looks good! I like the H-shaped shields; maybe I'll start a troop at some point.
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Thanks! Although I said several posts ago that this project was finished, I now have a couple of units of Goths and the aforementioned Pict cavalry in the painting queue...
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I picked up a box of the Wargames Atlantic Goths and made three units from it; two warriors and one skirmishers. The warlord is made up of Wargames Atlantic and Gripping Beast plastic bits.
These'll be good for both Goth mercenaries and extra Saxon types.
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Excellent additions! Those are great looking units.
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Nice work!
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Some more Romano-British. A second base of Cataphracts to make up a full unit, and two more command stands. You can never have enough command stands.
Mounted figures from Footsore, foot are Gripping Beast plastics.
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I love this thread! So much inspiration.
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I love this thread! So much inspiration.
Thanks James. I'm putting on a game of Midgard at the club tonight, so I'll stick some pictures up here.
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Thanks James. I'm putting on a game of Midgard at the club tonight, so I'll stick some pictures up here.
Excellent, would love to see those. We're doing Mount Badon at Partizan in May so I need to muster my forces and scenery for that one.
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Excellent, would love to see those. We're doing Mount Badon at Partizan in May so I need to muster my forces and scenery for that one.
"Oooh! I say!"- one well worth looking out for James! 8)
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Arthur's forces defend a salient hill, a bit strung out, against the compact attacking Saxons. After a bit of an uncoordinated attack, the Saxons took the hill and won the game with 19 Reputation to the Briton's 13. We only managed 3 turns because we had a few new players, and it's the first time that I've played and both sides have ended up with more Reputation than they started with. Maybe after a few more turns the forces would have started to falter and we would have had a different result.
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Three units of Pict cavalry. Gripping Beast plastic Dark Age cavalry with bits from other kits.
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I like those a lot, they’re quite dynamic! The parts from other kits mixed in pretty well.
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Agreed. Those cavalry turned out rather splendidly.
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A couple of quick and easy Pictish skirmisher units, using Wargames Atlantic Irish/Dogs with a few other bits.
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Two units of Goth Noble Cavalry, and a Pict Champion.
All Gripping Beast
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Great looking units.
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They look grand!