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Other Stuff => Workbench => "Build Something" Archive => Topic started by: McMordain on February 29, 2024, 09:32:34 AM
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Ahoy!
I will plan to build a winery for medieval/low fantasy setting. First I will try to make a row of grapevines. If the results are to my liking and they don't take a lot of time to make, I will proceed with the actual structure of the building.
If the plants turn out to be a hassle to make I will probably alter course and build a wind mill.
I'm free this weekend so expect some pic of trying to glue together some very-very small balls for clusters of grapes lol
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I'm free this weekend so expect some pic of trying to glue together some very-very small balls for clusters of grapes lol
I tried to do grape vines before and the only thing that worked out was the grapes. I used Woodland Scenics oranges. Dipped a bit of wire in glue then rolled it around in the oranges and let it set. Might work for you.
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Here's hoping the work is...vintage. :D
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Looking forward to seeing this progress :D
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Should be a good year, regardless.
Curious to see what you'll make of the building :)
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I tried to do grape vines before and the only thing that worked out was the grapes. I used Woodland Scenics oranges. Dipped a bit of wire in glue then rolled it around in the oranges and let it set. Might work for you.
Well I did something similar, just with small bearing balls.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-040324213633-61956587.jpeg)
I got these ages ago (maybe even before 2000) from my late uncle, but never could find a use for them.
I glued a small plastic bead to a piece of wire and built up the cluster one at a time using superglue.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-040324213633-619576.jpeg)
After this I primed them and applied two coats of polyurethane varnish to really bond them together.
The copies turned out to be ok. Not as good as the originals, but they will work.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-040324213633-619582069.jpeg)
For the plants I used some leftover GW Dryad bits. They are pinned to the base.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-040324213633-61959932.jpeg)
Tomorrow I will texture the base an add the rest of the fruit.
I will glue on the leaves too (I have some laser cut leaves and a puncher from AK), then prime the whole thing. I'm not sure how this will work out. I may have to add the leaves after painting.
I plan to make six of these bases, probably three with fruit and three without, but I may add fruit to all of them.
Should be a good year, regardless.
Curious to see what you'll make of the building :)
Well about that I have no idea yet. I need to do some research first.
It should be small though, no 40x40 cm footprint this time lol I have less free time this year.
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I glued a small plastic bead to a piece of wire and built up the cluster one at a time using superglue.
Very nice results.
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Wow! That is dedication.
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Wow; this is already looking great!
For a moment I was afraid you were going to build up each and every individual bunch of grapes. I was somewhat relieved to see you then cast them... :D
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In medieval times grapes most likely were grown around wooden pillars/sticks as opposed to modern rows along wire frames.
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They apparently grew quite a big taller than we like them to today. Also, they seem to have used fruit bearing trees for them to climb.
(https://www.foliamagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/vendemmia.png)
(https://www.foliamagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/autunno.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/1a/eb/6e1aeb5a8be40d184eff3d260b2a961e.png)
(https://hortusleiden.gardenexplorer.org/AppImages/9450.jpg)
This is just a very quick internet search, so authenticity is not verified, but the above do look somewhat consistent in their depictions.
Then again; if the project is a fantasy one, the above can just as easily be ignored :D
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Gluing many tiny things to other things! I'm down - definitely going to have to try that next. I have some commercially produced roughly scale grape plants that are a single object - leaves, stem and grapes all molded together and painted.
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That is a really good start
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For a moment I was afraid you were going to build up each and every individual bunch of grapes. I was somewhat relieved to see you then cast them... :D
Well I would do that if I only needed a couple of them. Or had more time ;)
In medieval times grapes most likely were grown around wooden pillars/sticks as opposed to modern rows along wire frames.
Yeah, I did some research and found some of the pictures Daeothar put up. I really like the one with the fruit trees. Interesting idea.
I added poles made of toothpicks, next to the plants. I like how they look, but the dryad bits don't lend themself very well to represent a climber plant...
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-050324215440-619872236.jpeg)
I also added leaves to one of the plants.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-050324215440-619891185.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/61/8499-050324215440-619881675.jpeg)
This made me realize two things.
One, I'm pretty sure I need to add the leaves after painting.
Two, it's not really feasible to make multiple bases this way. Gluing the leaves individually onto 6 plants on 6 bases is just too much work, for a gaming terrain piece anyway. And for a proper vineyard I would need more than that anyway.
I will do this one base this way, but I need to come up with something different for the rest.
I found this picture of a free standing grapevine. I really like the look, but I don't know how to reproduce it in an easy and quick way, that also produces something that looks good.
(https://www.lodiwine.com/assets/client/Image/MariansVineyardZinfandelclose-uplateMay.jpg)
What to do... o_o
Gluing many tiny things to other things! I'm down - definitely going to have to try that next. I have some commercially produced roughly scale grape plants that are a single object - leaves, stem and grapes all molded together and painted.
Hah, that's cheating. Where can I get those? :D
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What to do... o_o
Hah, that's cheating. Where can I get those? :D
I honestly have no clue, I bought them at a thrift store more than a decade ago
Lemax discontinued https://www.lemaxcollection.com/retired/holidays-seasons/other-accessories/valley-vineyard--84855
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I found this picture of a free standing grapevine. I really like the look, but I don't know how to reproduce it in an easy and quick way, that also produces something that looks good.
Quick and easy? Where there is a will there is a way.
Materials.
Fabric covered floral wire. (Hobbycraft or Amazon has it)
Floral tape. (again Hobbycraft or Amazon has it)
Latex acrylic caulking
Disposable Brush. Rougher is better. I usually use disposable acid etching brushes.
Use the wire to make a normal twist wire tree. Use floral tape to unify the surfaces of clusters of branches before twisting them together and then to cover the bottom of the trunk once those clusters have been twisted together. Leave a long bit at the end to hold onto.
Use the brush to paint the caulk onto all surfaces of the branches.
Let set for about 5-10 min.
Use a clean brush to texture the caulk.
Let set overnight.
Clip the excess of the bottom and paint.
I use the same technique on larger trees but it will work on the smaller ones too.
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Work just killed my drive today, so no progress made. :`
I honestly have no clue, I bought them at a thrift store more than a decade ago
Lemax discontinued https://www.lemaxcollection.com/retired/holidays-seasons/other-accessories/valley-vineyard--84855
Oh, interesting. Not really what I'm looking for, but it's discontinued anyway. They have some other stuff that looks useful, but they seem to have stores only in US. :(
Thanks for the info.
Use the wire to make a normal twist wire tree....
Yeah, this is what I wanted to avoid, sculpting the whole thing from scratch... oh well, this is why we are here right? lol
I will make a test piece, to see how does it go.
I also have an another idea that might work for the "body".
I have some Woodland Scenics clump foliage and some other material from BSC2019. I will see if I can make a good looking grapevine foliage using these.
Hopefully I can make something that I like and in a manner that repeatable in a relatively easy way. Eventually I need to make enough to fill at least half of a 4x4 board, if I want something that really looks like a vineyard, and not just a hobby garden.
If not, I have to fall back to my second choice, making a windmill instead.
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Yeah, this is what I wanted to avoid, sculpting the whole thing from scratch... oh well, this is why we are here right? lol
It sounds more of a pain than it is. For smaller grape "trees" it should not be too much bother. The fabric covered wire adds some bulk to the limbs and you only need two or so strands for each branch and only two branches for the whole build. Ten larger tree bundles can be kicked out while watching an hour long program on the telly.
These Birch trees are just the fabric and floral tape without the caulking. This photo was also before the limbs where bent and the rubberized horse hair added.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--wOr8e7X4Us/VOxTLS8kUiI/AAAAAAAAA9g/GWyT2lx6NdQ/s1600/DSC04372.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--wOr8e7X4Us/VOxTLS8kUiI/AAAAAAAAA9g/GWyT2lx6NdQ/s1600/DSC04372.jpg)
However, if you can find something quicker and easier I would say go for it.
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It sounds more of a pain than it is. For smaller grape "trees" it should not be too much bother. The fabric covered wire adds some bulk to the limbs and you only need two or so strands for each branch and only two branches for the whole build. Ten larger tree bundles can be kicked out while watching an hour long program on the telly.
These Birch trees are just the fabric and floral tape without the caulking. This photo was also before the limbs where bent and the rubberized horse hair added.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--wOr8e7X4Us/VOxTLS8kUiI/AAAAAAAAA9g/GWyT2lx6NdQ/s1600/DSC04372.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--wOr8e7X4Us/VOxTLS8kUiI/AAAAAAAAA9g/GWyT2lx6NdQ/s1600/DSC04372.jpg)
However, if you can find something quicker and easier I would say go for it.
Those are really nice looking trees. Well done.
I did some test versions and while both turned out good for a kind of plant, snitcythedog's method works far better for grapevines.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-110324192940-62013504.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-110324192940-620641699.jpeg)
This would probably work for some other kind of fruit tree, but it does not do it for grapes.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-110324194838-62065590.jpeg)
The first base, with tree plants. I made these about a centimeter shorter.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-110324194838-620661228.jpeg)
The problem with these is I need a lot more grape clusters, about 10-12 per tree. I can make enough (probably) for this build, but I may have to look into 3D printing if I want to make enough for a vineyard.
I use this for the foliage:
(https://ak-interactive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/AK8146C-1.jpg)
Ak's PLATANE FOLIAGE SUMMER
The result is really good, but I will not show it as I'm not sure about the rules concerning fully painted and done test pieces. Also you will have something to look forward :D
I found my inspiration for the building as well.
(https://www.knightsandmerchants.net/application/files/7915/6823/6451/vineyard.png)
The vineyard building from the RTS Knights and Merchants. I played it a lot as a child and really like it, but the mission where you had to beat the barbarians was really hard. I had to use a cheat after failing so many times... I wanted to play it again when it got available on Steam, but it's bugged and I couldn't go past the first mission :(
Anyway, the building will be a simple one story thing, with a big crushing barrel at the front or side, with a roof over. I will probably add an entry to the cellar as well.
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You seem to be going really well!
I loved Knights and Merchants a lot as a kid as well (I recognised the building straight away!), and have the very same experience; I always got until the very same level and when I tried the game years later (I still have the CDrom laying around somewhere) I found it way more difficult...
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You seem to be going really well!
I loved Knights and Merchants a lot as a kid as well (I recognised the building straight away!), and have the very same experience; I always got until the very same level and when I tried the game years later (I still have the CDrom laying around somewhere) I found it way more difficult...
I also still have the original CD, maybe I will try to run it on my PC (I have my doubts though).
Smallish update, the grapevine bases are done to a degree where I only have to add the grape-clusters and the ground texture (plus painting of course).
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-180324185917-62128621.jpeg)
I started the house over the weekend.
Beside the K&M game image, I use this video as an inspiration, which recently popped up in my feed:
Fantasy Cottage for Warhammer "The Old World" by Samy - Modellbau (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3svvl5PAro&t=54s)
I really like the look and I want to try the "using xps foam for everything" approach (usually I use balsa wood for the wooden parts and cardboard for the roof tiles).
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-180324185917-621291513.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-180324185917-62130120.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-180324185917-621311581.jpeg)
I glued the supports to the wrong side of the walls, so the right side door became a left side one...
I never tried to do curved roofs before, so I'm curious how it will go.
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I like how this is coming together - well done :D
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Both the orchard and the house are coming along nicely...I particularly like the curves on the house.
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2nd on the curves, lovely looking piece
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Looking good. Those curves on the roof would send me scatty. I love to see them but can't for the life of me model them.
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Hackdangit!
Just when I was feeling good about myself and my build, I see that video and now I'm really humbled by this guy's skill.
And madness.
I mean; carving and shaping each and every single stone? :o That's dedication...
If your build will be anything like this, it's going to be stellar! :)
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Hackdangit!
Just when I was feeling good about myself and my build, I see that video and now I'm really humbled by this guy's skill.
And madness.
I mean; carving and shaping each and every single stone? :o That's dedication...
If your build will be anything like this, it's going to be stellar! :)
Yeah his skill with foam is amazing. If my build will be just 1/10th as good as that, I will be satisfied :)
Looking good. Those curves on the roof would send me scatty. I love to see them but can't for the life of me model them.
Well I'm afraid of that part as well, but I'm not there yet.
On the topic of stone shaping this is where I was yesterday.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-250324205737.jpeg)
Initially I cut too much of the edges of the stones, which can be seen on the corner pieces and the chimney. I changed that when I started to fill out the walls and the results are definitely look better.
The curved door frame was bit of a challenge, but I think it turned out well.
Also I made the door my usual way, using balsa and some plastic strip. It still needs a handle and some nail heads.
I'm pretty happy with it so far, except for the chimney, but I will not redo it. I may cut of some excess foam here and there though.
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Nice! I definitely prefer the stonework around the door, though the chimney still looks good. Maybe the cottage has seen a bit of rebuilding during its life time.
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Could just fill the stone with lots of grout for mortar after painting - that would fill in those gaps
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That's coming along very nicely, and the perfect size for the table top.
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Great job so far, & I feel sure it will look fantastic when finished.
I agree that some filler painted over the gaps will result in aiding the rickety/been through many winters look.
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very nice progress
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Awesome work!
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Work done over the Easter holiday:
The walls are done.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-020424202004-62252122.jpeg)
I also recut some of the bigger stones on the chimney.
Next I finished the side room.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-020424202004-62253271.jpeg)
Again I went with real wood (coffee stirrers this time) for some extra visual interest.
Then came the windows and the roof.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-020424202004-622541716.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-020424202004-62255427.jpeg)
This is the current state of the building.
I really enjoy the building process (except for the roof. Cutting thin slices of foam is not fun o_o), and I say the result speak for itself, but I doubt I will make another one the same way.
I would like to have 4 or 5 more, with similar looks for a small village, but building one takes a long time. And I still have to paint it...
I have some ideas how to make the process faster.
Anyway tomorrow I try to finish the roof.
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Looking good. Great job with recutting the stones on the chimney, you've blended the two together nicely.
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Beautiful build and you nailed that roof.
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Looking good. Great job with recutting the stones on the chimney, you've blended the two together nicely.
That jumped out to me as well. Excellent save
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Wonderful work.
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Really love the windows.
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I'm liking it!
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Lovely little building
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This is looking marvelous indeed!
The reworking of the chimney has worked out really well and the roof construction is impressive 8)
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Thanks guys!
I finished the other side of the roof.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-090424193940.jpeg)
Now all it needs is texturing.
As for the house as a whole, the windows need shutters, the door needs some more details and the base needs some texture paint.
After that ,the last thing to build is a big wooden tub for crushing the grapes, and a simple structure to protect it from the elements.
Originally I wanted this to be an integral part of the building (as per the inspirational image), but with the building, and more importantly the roof being in a bit difficult shape I gave up this part.
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Looks very twee, I love it.
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That's a great build, the curved roof, the roof tiles, the individual bricks, it's all just so impressive :-*
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That's a great build, the curved roof, the roof tiles, the individual bricks, it's all just so impressive :-*
Can't agree more. Wonderful build.
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I'm a little behind as I didn't have the time do do much last week and only a little progress today.
The crushing tub is almost done, it only needs the hoops.
It is made by cutting a foam base
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-160424195139-62317659.jpeg)
then I glued cut up coffee stirrers (2,5 cm) around it.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-160424195139-623182103.jpeg)
The bottom is 1mm thick balsa wood.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-160424195139-623191938.jpeg)
I will probably make the hoops from plastic strips.
That's it for now.
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Coffee stirrers are king in this hobby, aren't they? ;)
Looking good there; it's just like the real thing!
Will you model the individual grapes in the tub too? :P
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That tub is a great little addition
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Wow! This looks great. Incredible skill on the stone work and roof. I can't wait to see the whole thing come together... :o
Mike Demana
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Will you model the individual grapes in the tub too? :P
I was thinking about that, but I decided to make it empty and paint the inside like it is stained from years of use. ;)
That tub is a great little addition
Funny you say that lol
I finished the tube, made a base for it and done a simple roofed structure.
It all looks good, I really like it, but then I put it next to the house whole thing looks enormous. And I can't decide if I like that or not... o_o
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-190424221006-6232277.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-190424221006-623441958.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-190424221006-623451874.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-190424221006-62346701.jpeg)
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-190424221006-62347106.jpeg)
I plan to make a thatched roof using a scouring pad as a base (I saw this on Sarissa Precision's site). It seems easy to do and gives a good enough effect, but I want to test it irl and this liitle side building is perfect for it. I should be done with it this weekend.
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Well cool. Now you need to do another two or three hundred vines. lol
If you are thatching this is another option rather than the scowering pad.
http://ryan.skow.org/city/greentree/ThatchedRoof.html (http://ryan.skow.org/city/greentree/ThatchedRoof.html)
Used it before with good results.
Very nice work so far.
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Looks great, the tub looks the business, this is all really coming together quite nicely.
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Looking good. If you'd worried the hot (grape) tub is gunna be too big next to the cottage you could always build something for the cottage to sit on...either a stepped brick platform or a small hill / rise.
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I agree with you that the size of the tub might throw some folks off. Maybe set it a distance away from the house and our eyes will just assume that it looks bigger because it is in the foreground? ;)
Mike Demana
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Looking good. If you'd worried the hot (grape) tub is gunna be too big next to the cottage you could always build something for the cottage to sit on...either a stepped brick platform or a small hill / rise.
that's a good idea, have a set doors for access down to the wine cellar, big doors, with runners on the ground for the barrels.
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that's a good idea, have a set doors for access down to the wine cellar, big doors, with runners on the ground for the barrels.
I just wanted to write that Lost Egg's proposal gave me an idea, but you, sir, were faster. lol Great minds eh? ;)
I will try to makes something over the weekend, but I can't promise that it will be done int time.
Well cool. Now you need to do another two or three hundred vines. lol
If you are thatching this is another option rather than the scowering pad.
http://ryan.skow.org/city/greentree/ThatchedRoof.html (http://ryan.skow.org/city/greentree/ThatchedRoof.html)
Used it before with good results.
Very nice work so far.
Yep, I did a quick test yesterday and i need an other 20 bases of grapes...
The tutorial you linked is nice, saved it. Next time I go somewhere with towels I will look around for materials. :)
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I look forward to seeing what you come up with sir.
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Do to some personal issues I couldn't do as much over the weekend as I would have liked, so the hill will not be a part of my entry. :(
A did make this on Sunday.
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/8499-290424180333.jpeg)
It still needs a lot of work though, which I will be unable to finish till the building deadline.
Also I would like to make the part, where the cellar door should be (behind the soldier), interchangeable. That way I can use the hill for other settings, and it wouldn't be out of place.
I will finish this after the competition.
There is painting to do and I will have no time for it on Wednesday, despite the holiday. On top of that my dentist put of my appointment from tomorrow to Friday. If he does anything to my wisdom tooth other than looking, I will be a wreck on the weekend. o_o
So I have less time than I would like to finish everything.
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Ouch, real work sucks. Remember for this round have from the 1st to the 7th to paint and that the deadline for submitting photos is midnight Pacific Daylight Time (UTC-7).
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Looks like you're off to a good start with the hill McMordian. Shame about real life getting in the way but it happens to us all sooner or later. Hope the dentist goes ok.
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Keep at it, interested to see this one finished.
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So Friday was terrible, couldn't do anything all day then got a fever for the night :(
But hey, at least I do not have to worry about that tooth anymore... lol
Anyway I tried do a lot over the weekend, but I still couldn't concentrate for too long. On Sunday I checked the deadline and realized it's the 7th not 5th...
Painting is done but, what is left is finishing adding the "natural" elements. I can do that this evening. The grapevines need foliage and the house needs some moss. Actually a lot of moss...
This also means I need to make the entry photo with lamp lights, probably on my workbench, so do not expect anything high quality (no change in my photo skills either).
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So the good news is I sent in my entry pic.
The bad news is apparently two packs of AK's Platane foliage is not enough for 15 (well technically 16, including the test piece) plants... :'(
Which means there is only 3 grapevine bases and the single test piece on the picture (beside all the other stuff). Also I did not have enough time to do leafs on the base with the six small plants.
On the other hand I'm really satisfied with the results. :D
Aaand I think I forgot to mention or make pictures about the shutters I made for the windows, and I painted up a couple of resin barrels as well.
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Received!